Metrocracy vs democracy

[andrew]

Ryan,

There are two issues here.
1.  How people are appointed.  (Democratic or Meritocracy)
2.  The actual positions up for appointment. (Structure)


The models presented, combine the above which is why I refuse to vote in
the poll because I would be voting for positions and how they are
appointed.  As previously stated by myself (in a different post), once
positions (Structure) can be identified then we can talk about how they
are appointed (but if people want to do it around the other way that's
fine as well). 

APPOINTMENT PROCESS  (It is possible for the two to be combined)

A. Directly elect a BOARD (democratic), who can then appoint on merit
(Meritocracy) people to full-fill the roles. Ie. Web administration Etc.
(as suggested by Colin)

B. Directly elect people (democratic) to pre-defined positions based on
what they have done in the past (merit). 

C. Directly elect ONE person (democratic), who then appoints on merit.

D. ONE person (not elected) who appoints on merit (Meritocracy with zero
accountability).    (this is what happens currently) 

 
How an election or appointment is conducted is another matter entirely.
As is the make up of Positions/Roles Ie. 'Board', 'Web masters' Etc.


Maybe the above (A,B,C,D) should be in a Poll ??


Andrew G.


On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 10:42 +0930, Ryan Macnish wrote:
> Andrew,
> 
> 
> None of us really want a meritocracy, but we want the same structure
> that option 1a gives us. It was named the wrong way apparently, which
> is why you probably think we are all going with a meritocracy, but we
> are not.
> 
> 
> I thought everyone already agreed on a model of election. But it seems
> we haven't just yet, this is something that should be discussed next
> meeting.
> 
> 
> Ryan Macnish
> 
> > Subject: Re: Metrocracy vs democracy
> > From: gandella at gmail.com
> > To: colinjamesmcdermott at gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:34:05 +1000
> > CC: ubuntu-au at lists.ubuntu.com
> > 
> > Colin,
> > 
> > Yes an 'Elected' board/council could appoint people to roles based
> on
> > 'Merit'.
> > 
> > Andrew G.
> > 
> > On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 09:28 +1000, colin mcdermott wrote:
> > > >> There are not many reasons why we cannot have a 'Team' elected
> to
> > > positions based on merit every 12 months. When people nominate for
> > > positions they can put up their credentials, why they want the
> > > position
> > > and what they can do for the Ubuntu-au Loco.
> > > 
> > > Isn't this pretty much standard! I mean Ubuntu is not a four
> person
> > > project, it is not a small flash in a pan thing that someone has
> > > whipped out of their backyard. 
> > > 
> > > Personally, I think that we need a Ubuntu Confrence in Australia.
> This
> > > confrence should be conducted on a yearly/bi-yearly basis (perhaps
> > > inpart online/through a web hookup), we talk all things Ubuntu and
> we
> > > elect our leaders there accepting online votes from anyone not
> there.
> > > There could be simultanious confrences, but the point is this:
> > > 
> > > Ubuntu is not a four person Distribution.
> > > Ubuntu is open source, it is free to all and it's governance is
> (nay
> > > should be) transperant. 
> > > Microsoft is a commercial product, it's governance is closed.
> While I
> > > can have input into the product, I have no vote nor control on how
> it
> > > is designed. 
> > > 
> > > Once a board is elected that board can appoint people to perform
> > > tasks, take roles, assign goals, do as it feels. I know that you
> will
> > > see members drop off from the board, but the board can replace
> them as
> > > they see fit. The board would be free from the election for most
> if
> > > not all of the year, but it will be heald to public account!
> > > 
> > > Why do people fear a fair election? 
> > > 
> > > Sincerely
> > > 
> > > Colin McDermott
> > 
> > 
> > 
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