[Ubuntu-be] Silent computers' shop staat er klaar voor!-- Re: ubuntu-be Digest, Vol 82, Issue 16

[Jurgen Gaeremyn]

Martijn,

there's something else too that people should be fighting in mailing 
lists... and that's trolls. People posting to a mailinglist without 
contributing to the topic, but in the contrary fueling an (off topic) 
discussion is considered trolling in my eyes.

Secondly: (not talking about this specific situation here) No matter how 
rude, stupid or wrong a person is... you *never* lower yourself to that 
same level. This will never solve anything.

As I already said... the given response was defenitely not spam. It was 
a reply to a question asked. It was on topic. It might not have been as 
well documented as I hoped it to be... but it was not at all 
*unsollicited* since I asked about this topic. In the worst case, one 
could call it a shameless plug. I know I have made publicity for events 
of our hackerspace in the past too... (ouch, now I'm spamming, I'm 
advertising our hackerspace)

It's human to make mistakes... this counts for Valèri (Odds are he won't 
be so stupid to help anyone on the mailinglist anymore) but also for 
you. Be a big person, and learn from your mistakes. If you feel someone 
is not abiding the rules of the mailinglist (but has a good history), be 
polite and explain this person what mistake (s)he made. This opens a 
door for the (so called) offender to apologize if he agrees, or defend 
himself if he disagrees.

Oh yeah... and on an ironic sidenote... if this were a real spammer - he 
would thank us for sending out a gazillion more messages with his 
company name in the title.

Grtz,
and have an excellent Christmas holiday...
Jurgen.


On 21-12-12 19:08, martijn cielen wrote:
> Hold your horses Wouter. You clearly completely misunderstood my 
> message. I do give a *** about the work any and all of you do. I 
> thought it was obvious I was talking about spammers. To clarify again: 
> when someone spams the ML, I don't give a *** about what they do for 
> the community. It's spam, and spam should be fought by any means.
>
> On Friday, 21 December 2012, Wouter Vandenneucker wrote:
>
>     I personally felt offended by the sheer lack of Ubuntu/humanity in
>     the responses that followed.
>     If one states that he didn't *"give a *** what anyone (corporate
>     or individual) has done for anyone/anything"* than that means he
>     doesn't care about any of the work I and others have put in to it.
>     I find that offensive and take it as a slap in the face.
>
>     It shows of a lack of empathy, dignity and respect to others who
>     might or might not put more time and effort to things than that
>     person him- or herself. Although I would have taken it this way
>     regardless of whom it came from, I feel even more offended because
>     it came from somebody who signed the code of conduct! A code that
>     starts with following words:
>
>     *Ubuntu is about showing humanity to one another: the word itself
>     captures the spirit of being human.*
>
>     A code that explicitly states that at all times you should be
>     respectful. One that states that disagreement is no excuse for
>     poor manners. One that states that you have to take responsibility
>     for your words and actions.
>
>     I find myself today, struggling to keep believing that any work
>     done here is appreciated or even considered to be of any value.
>
>     And with this rant and words that might mean more to some than
>     others I leave you
>
>     Have a nice day all, who knows it might be our last.
>
>     Regards
>
>
>     Wouter Vandenneucker
>
>     2012/12/21 Jurgen Gaeremyn <jurgen.gaeremyn op pandora.be>
>
>         Well,
>
>         I didn't consider the initial answer as spam - I did take it
>         as a rather weak answer in the sense that there's no further
>         help than only offering to make a sale.
>
>         I was hoping to get feedback in the sense of: "I'm using
>         *blabla* on my computer and *bla* on my Android device and it
>         all works fine doing these steps: *blablabla*" Or even: "Buy
>         this device: *SomeDevice*, it contains drivers for ubuntu" In
>         extremis it could be: "let me google this for you: *keyword 1*
>         *keyword 2* ..."
>
>         Obviously, if the solution you're offering is something you
>         developed in-house, and thus only offer to your customers...
>         that's also an option, and then the shop is he place to be.
>
>         Well... but as disappointing as the answer was... the answer
>         "spammer" didn't help me any further either.
>
>         Grtz,
>         Jurgen
>
>
>         On 21-12-12 13:25, tom verlinden wrote:
>>         Is there a "code of conduct", guidelines, on how to approach
>>         things like this?
>>         What i'm trying to say is, what if you know a good
>>         link/shop/space that can help you?
>>         What would be the appropriate action to take?
>>
>>         Needless to say i too disagree with spamming any list, but
>>         it's something i was asking myself just yet...
>>
>>
>>         2012/12/21 martijn cielen <mcielen op gmail.com>
>>
>>             Jan,
>>
>>             frankly I don't give a *** what anyone (corporate or
>>             individual) has done for anyone/anything when they abuse
>>             a mailing list to spam.
>>             When I send messages to this list, I use my personal
>>             address, and not my commercial one. Ideally, others
>>             should do the same.
>>
>>             Martijn
>>
>>             On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Jan Bongaerts
>>             <jbongaerts op gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>                 Easy now!
>>                 Silent Computers has done more for ubuntu-be than most.
>>
>>
>>                 2012/12/20 martijn cielen <mcielen op gmail.com>
>>
>>                     spammer
>>
>>                     2012/12/20 Lesia Valèri <lesiavaleri op gmail.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>                         Hi,
>>                         daar is de Silent computers' shop voor!
>>                         Stuurt die dame naar ons toe, wij zullen wel
>>                         beste oplossing voor vi
>>
>
>

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