Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO QUESTIONS
C. Martens
c.martens at rogers.com
Sat Jan 20 15:39:14 UTC 2007
About 18 months ago, back in my winblows days, I got tired of buying expensive (for inkjets, anyway) printers for which the printer would outlast the availability of the very expensive ink refills. I was going to go laser, but the downstroke of replacing the toner and drum made this prohibitive during my financially-strained periods, so I ended up buying an ultra-cheap brother mfc 210c, figuring that if it did break down or become hard to buy supplies for, at least I wouldn't be out a lot of $. I love it, the company's tech support and attitude (they support Linux), and the way I was able to install it pretty darned well when I moved to Kubuntu. The companies I work for usually have laser, so I occasionally end up doing some things in colour at home (e.g. a training dvd insert, overhead presentations), and of course, my son's high-school artwork.
The Brother MFC-210C isn't supported by kubuntu out-of-the-CD/box, but there are some pretty good howtos about how to install it on the web (I even took a stab at writing one for another distro that didn't have as much documentation as ubuntu), and company reps will respond quite quickly with Linux support, via email from Asia, if needed. Like I said, great attitude; at one point something broke a year and two days after the warranty ran out, and they still paid for the professional depot replacement, and it wasn't a trivial part, either.
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Today's Topics:
1. Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Pay Wahun)
2. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Leslie Lewis)
3. TWO QUESTIONS (Maurice Murphy)
4. Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
QUESTIONS (Fabian Rodriguez)
5. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Peter Whittaker)
6. Re: Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
QUESTIONS (Maurice Murphy)
7. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (G Williams Webmaster Ubuntuvoice.com)
8. Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu (Alan Pater)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:31:03 -0500
From: "Pay Wahun"
Subject: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
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I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was however
wondering which of these two platforms is worth a long-term commitment. I
think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu for a newbie like me. But
too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much that I wonder if Canonical
has any long-term commitment towards Kubuntu. Even the recently
printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip service towards Kubuntu (KDE) OS and
reading from this book, I wonder what the future holds for Kubuntu - and
would it be better for me to focus on U instaed of KU?. What do you think?
Would appreciate any advice.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:01:13 -0700
From: "Leslie Lewis"
Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
To: "The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community"
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I have no special insight, but I think Kubuntu will be supported as long as
there's interest in it, and there seems to be lots. If it's not, there are
lots of other KDE-based distributions that will be around for a good long
time - Xandros, for instance. Anything you learn and do in Kubuntu will be
transferable.
But Ubuntu isn't that hard when you get into it. And you can use KDE and
GNOME applications in either Kubuntu or Ubuntu.
I would say go with what feels best and don't worry about the long term. By
the time there's any major change, if there is one, you'll know what you're
doing and be able to handle it.
You might also like to ask this question on the main Ubuntu forums:
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/. The participants are just as helpful and
friendly as the people on this list.
Leslie in Canmore.
On 1/19/07, Pay Wahun
wrote:
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> I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was however
> wondering which of these two platforms is worth a long-term commitment. I
> think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu for a newbie like me. But
> too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much that I wonder if Canonical
> has any long-term commitment towards Kubuntu. Even the recently
> printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip service towards Kubuntu (KDE) OS and
> reading from this book, I wonder what the future holds for Kubuntu - and
> would it be better for me to focus on U instaed of KU?. What do you think?
> Would appreciate any advice.
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:43:41 -0500
From: Maurice Murphy
Subject: TWO QUESTIONS
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Greetings All,
1. Where can I find a driver for a Logitech Fusion web cam?
2. Any suggestions for a compatible scan/print/fax/copy machine?
Any suggestions would be most appreciated.
Maurice from Nepean
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:54:10 -0500
From: Fabian Rodriguez
Subject: Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
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To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community
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Maurice Murphy wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> [...]
> 2. Any suggestions for a compatible scan/print/fax/copy machine?
Any HP. HPLIP very nicely implements most if not all of printer and
scanner management functions, and XSane does very well with multi-page
scans if your machine has an ADF (automatic docs feeder).
I have owned Brother and Samsung printers and they're very nice and
cheap but all use proprietary driver qhich ultimately mean painful
install (and, most importantly, updates).
I'd love to hear about other options, though. Checking the recently
revamped linuxprinting.org will help too.
Cheers,
Fabi?n Rodr?guez - Ubuntu Quebec Local Community team contact
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam
Montreal, QC, Canada
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:31:42 -0500
From: Peter Whittaker
Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
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On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 13:31 -0500, Pay Wahun wrote:
> emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much that I wonder if Canonical has
> any long-term commitment towards Kubuntu
My understanding is that Shuttleworth based Ubuntu on Gnome because of
his perception of Gnome's commitment to usability, that some KDE fans
saw that Ubuntu was good and launched Kubuntu to get their favourite X
environment running on their favourite distro, and that Shuttleworth has
since switched to Kubuntu.
Since the sabdfl use Kubuntu, I expect there will be long-term support.
Refer also to http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php
As for me, I'm still using Ubuntu despite finding more and more I
dislike about Gnome's approach to user configuration and preferences*.
It's more inertia than anything else for me: I've gotten use to it and I
can live with it. But KDE beckons, oh, it beckons the cfg file hacker in
me....
For a newbie, Ubuntu may be better, because there are fewer options, the
user experience is more choreographed/constrained (YMMV). But someone
who really wants to explore may prefer KDE because they can configure
everything!
Either way, I think the long-term legs are there.
pww
* The approach of some Gnome devs strikes me as paternalism in the guise
of usability - it's like being on a Mac - or NeXTStep - back in the day
and having little irritations - and serious usability issues - caused by
design philosophy. Like the lack of screen saver options in Gnome screen
saver because the maintainer doesn't believe in user configuration (so
I've been told). Like the lack of PageUp/PageDown on NeXTStations
because NeXT design philosophy was that it was a screen not a page. Why
they couldn't supply the function and call it ScreenUp/ScreenDown
instead I'll never know... ...but that's just me, and I've always been a
grumpy old fart.
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 20:51:33 -0500
From: Maurice Murphy
Subject: Re: Suggestion for multi-function printer/scanner was Re: TWO
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> Maurice Murphy wrote:
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>> Greetings All,
>>
>> [...]
>> 2. Any suggestions for a compatible scan/print/fax/copy machine?
>>
> Any HP. HPLIP very nicely implements most if not all of printer and
> scanner management functions, and XSane does very well with multi-page
> scans if your machine has an ADF (automatic docs feeder).
>
> I have owned Brother and Samsung printers and they're very nice and
> cheap but all use proprietary driver qhich ultimately mean painful
> install (and, most importantly, updates).
>
> I'd love to hear about other options, though. Checking the recently
> revamped linuxprinting.org will help too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fabi?n Rodr?guez - Ubuntu Quebec Local Community team contact
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam
> Montreal, QC, Canada
>
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Hi Fabi?n,
Thank you for that very helpful info. I now have a major research
project on my hands! So many choices!
Maurice from Nepean
:-) :-) :-)
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:55:19 -0500
From: "G Williams Webmaster Ubuntuvoice.com"
Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
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Kde does look more attractive to the newbie. It looks for some reason
a bit more like Windows than Gnome does, at least out of the box and
there are things about it that appear to be a better deal. I think its
the fonts and the layouts.
Lately though with a purpose in mind I have found Gnome to have as much
eye candy (go ahead make it look like Windows) but more under the hood
when it comes to applications. KDE comes with a lot of stuff, but as
far as stability goes Ubuntu at least is not a distribution that
supports it perhaps like Knoppix does. For what I was running it
for, it just does not remain stable and the multimedia applications I
use Linux for now just aren't anything to write home about in KDE.
I suppose I am somewhat of a qualified opinion. Tried running edgy,
tried running xubuntu, tried this and that. Dapper is stable and
ubuntu has Gnome not KDE.
I know how you feel having run everything from Redhat to Mandrake (not
Mandriva) to Gentoo, to Caldera ( I know ewww those guys!) looking
for something that felt like home.
Best advice decide whether you want to learn a *new* OS, get the stable
version, and get the distro (if its linux) that suits your needs.
The developers always have a preference and its usually for what works
and its really their choice as to what they want to work on, so its
not your wish list, its theirs.
It would mean your either going to develop your own flavour and make it
stable or head back to the familiar windows and pay pay pay the price.
Its never comfortable to learn or adopt something new. The final and
best piece of advice I can give is give it time and make sure you have a
copy around of something that works for you.
I didn't and probably to some extent, still don't like the feel of
Gnome that much. However, having hit my head against the wall enough
times, the trade off is fine with me. I will just deal with
aesthetics by sucking it up or making it into something that doesn't suck.
Hope it helps.
Pay Wahun wrote:
> I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was
> however wondering which of these two platforms is worth a long-term
> commitment. I think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu for a
> newbie like me. But too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much
> that I wonder if Canonical has any long-term commitment towards
> Kubuntu. Even the recently printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip
> service towards Kubuntu (KDE) OS and reading from this book, I wonder
> what the future holds for Kubuntu - and would it be better for me to
> focus on U instaed of KU?. What do you think? Would appreciate any
> advice.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:39:42 -0800
From: "Alan Pater"
Subject: Re: Ubuntu vs Kubuntu
To: "The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community"
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
I find that Gnome is better for a new user, it is different enough
from the MS Windows look and feel that people don't expect to do
things exactly the same as they do when using MS Windows. And the
focus on usability within Gnome makes it easy to learn.
I look at KDE every once in while (you can install both on a default
Ubuntu system), but find that I prefer the Gnome Keep-it-Simple look
and feel. KDE has too many options and switches and buttons for me.
Great if you like to spend a lot of time configuring things though.
Plus, Ubuntu Gnome has a much nicer colour scheme then Kubuntu's KDE. :-)
On 1/19/07, G Williams Webmaster Ubuntuvoice.com wrote:
> Kde does look more attractive to the newbie. It looks for some reason
> a bit more like Windows than Gnome does, at least out of the box and
> there are things about it that appear to be a better deal. I think its
> the fonts and the layouts.
>
> Lately though with a purpose in mind I have found Gnome to have as much
> eye candy (go ahead make it look like Windows) but more under the hood
> when it comes to applications. KDE comes with a lot of stuff, but as
> far as stability goes Ubuntu at least is not a distribution that
> supports it perhaps like Knoppix does. For what I was running it
> for, it just does not remain stable and the multimedia applications I
> use Linux for now just aren't anything to write home about in KDE.
>
> I suppose I am somewhat of a qualified opinion. Tried running edgy,
> tried running xubuntu, tried this and that. Dapper is stable and
> ubuntu has Gnome not KDE.
>
> I know how you feel having run everything from Redhat to Mandrake (not
> Mandriva) to Gentoo, to Caldera ( I know ewww those guys!) looking
> for something that felt like home.
>
> Best advice decide whether you want to learn a *new* OS, get the stable
> version, and get the distro (if its linux) that suits your needs.
> The developers always have a preference and its usually for what works
> and its really their choice as to what they want to work on, so its
> not your wish list, its theirs.
>
> It would mean your either going to develop your own flavour and make it
> stable or head back to the familiar windows and pay pay pay the price.
>
> Its never comfortable to learn or adopt something new. The final and
> best piece of advice I can give is give it time and make sure you have a
> copy around of something that works for you.
>
> I didn't and probably to some extent, still don't like the feel of
> Gnome that much. However, having hit my head against the wall enough
> times, the trade off is fine with me. I will just deal with
> aesthetics by sucking it up or making it into something that doesn't suck.
>
> Hope it helps.
>
> Pay Wahun wrote:
> > I have read a lot into Kubuntu and Ubuntu, (KDE / GNONE). I was
> > however wondering which of these two platforms is worth a long-term
> > commitment. I think Kubuntu is easier to work with than Ubuntu for a
> > newbie like me. But too much emphasis is placed on Ubuntu, so much
> > that I wonder if Canonical has any long-term commitment towards
> > Kubuntu. Even the recently printed official Ubuntu book pays a lip
> > service towards Kubuntu (KDE) OS and reading from this book, I wonder
> > what the future holds for Kubuntu - and would it be better for me to
> > focus on U instaed of KU?. What do you think? Would appreciate any
> > advice.
>
>
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