Dial-up Modems no longer supported

Mon Feb 21 16:15:09 UTC 2011

I very much agree with the comment regarding third world usage.  In my
case I do a great deal of international travel and often to places a
long way from large metropolitan areas.  While acknowledging that
dial-up is not often necessary, sometimes it is the ONLY option.  In my
opinion this action is very unwise.

John

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>    1. Dial-up Modems no longer supported??? (Alfred)
>    2. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
>       (Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre)
>    3. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
>       (Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre)
>    4. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported??? (Che Guebeara)
>    5. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported??? (Ilija Milicevic)
>    6. Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported??? (komputes)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:22:09 -0500
> From: Alfred <alfred.s at nexicom.net>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
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> Hi: Ubuntu made it more and more difficult to use Dial up modems with 
> all the newer distributions of Ubuntu. Strange thing though, almost all 
> the repositories for Ubuntu software, have download speeds that are much 
> slower than Dial-up, at 53K per second. It's not real cost efficient to 
> use Ultra high Speed Internet and then have to wait hours to download 
> even a little file. Maybe this whole issue needs to be looked at again. 
> Telus now claims 50 megs per second, download speed, but the servers at 
> repositories are only a very small fraction of that speed. Those servers 
> are most of them still at Dial -up speed.
>
> Alfred!
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:29:37 -0500
> From: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
> Message-ID:
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> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Alfred <alfred.s at nexicom.net> wrote:
>   
>> Hi: Ubuntu made it more and more difficult to use Dial up modems with all
>> the newer distributions of Ubuntu. Strange thing though, almost all the
>> repositories for Ubuntu software, have download speeds that are much slower
>> than Dial-up, at 53K per second. It's not real cost efficient to use Ultra
>> high Speed Internet and then have to wait hours to download even a little
>> file. Maybe this whole issue needs to be looked at again. Telus now claims
>> 50 megs per second, download speed, but the servers at repositories are only
>> a very small fraction of that speed. Those servers are most of them still at
>> Dial -up speed.
>>
>>     
>
> Alfred,
>
> I think you may be seeing something different, as I have no issues
> getting packages downloaded at very acceptable speeds from the
> official ca.archive.u.c mirror as well as archive.u.c and others; from
> various locations in Quebec.
>
> Note that speed reported by a provider and what you will actually get
> may vary greatly by location, by the number of people on a region,
> etc. Perhaps you could tell us more about your type of connection so
> we can see if there's something quick to be done?
>
> As for standard dial-up, it is indeed no longer supported in UI --
> that was a decision made upstream (in NetworkManager). You can still
> use dial-up from the command-line, that is, using 'pppconfig' and
> 'pppon'. That seems to work really well from the small tests I've
> done.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
> Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu.tl at gmail.com
> 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E  FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:31:54 -0500
> From: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTi=ua43QVg89xq13cK00f9RD6d6xf7-RhoGhOBg6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Alfred <alfred.s at nexicom.net> wrote:
>   
>> Hi: Ubuntu made it more and more difficult to use Dial up modems with all
>> the newer distributions of Ubuntu. Strange thing though, almost all the
>> repositories for Ubuntu software, have download speeds that are much slower
>> than Dial-up, at 53K per second. It's not real cost efficient to use Ultra
>> high Speed Internet and then have to wait hours to download even a little
>> file. Maybe this whole issue needs to be looked at again. Telus now claims
>> 50 megs per second, download speed, but the servers at repositories are only
>> a very small fraction of that speed. Those servers are most of them still at
>> Dial -up speed.
>>
>>     
>
> Alfred,
>
> I think you may be seeing something different, as I have no issues
> getting packages downloaded at very acceptable speeds from the
> official ca.archive.u.c mirror as well as archive.u.c and others; from
> various locations in Quebec.
>
> Note that speed reported by a provider and what you will actually get
> may vary greatly by location, by the number of people on a region,
> etc. Perhaps you could tell us more about your type of connection so
> we can see if there's something quick to be done?
>
> As for standard dial-up, it is indeed no longer supported in UI --
> that was a decision made upstream (in NetworkManager). You can still
> use dial-up from the command-line, that is, using 'pppconfig' and
> 'pppon'. That seems to work really well from the small tests I've
> done.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
> Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu.tl at gmail.com
> 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E  FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:58:43 -0500
> From: Che Guebeara <cheguebeara at gmail.com>
> To: ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
> Message-ID: <20110221085843.300b0093 at kwee>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:29:37 -0500
> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Alfred <alfred.s at nexicom.net> wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi: Ubuntu made it more and more difficult to use Dial up modems
>>> with all the newer distributions of Ubuntu. Strange thing though,
>>> almost all the repositories for Ubuntu software, have download
>>> speeds that are much slower than Dial-up, at 53K per second. It's
>>> not real cost efficient to use Ultra high Speed Internet and then
>>> have to wait hours to download even a little file. Maybe this whole
>>> issue needs to be looked at again. Telus now claims 50 megs per
>>> second, download speed, but the servers at repositories are only a
>>> very small fraction of that speed. Those servers are most of them
>>> still at Dial -up speed.
>>>
>>>       
>> Alfred,
>>
>> I think you may be seeing something different, as I have no issues
>> getting packages downloaded at very acceptable speeds from the
>> official ca.archive.u.c mirror as well as archive.u.c and others; from
>> various locations in Quebec.
>>
>> Note that speed reported by a provider and what you will actually get
>> may vary greatly by location, by the number of people on a region,
>> etc. Perhaps you could tell us more about your type of connection so
>> we can see if there's something quick to be done?
>>
>> As for standard dial-up, it is indeed no longer supported in UI --
>> that was a decision made upstream (in NetworkManager). You can still
>> use dial-up from the command-line, that is, using 'pppconfig' and
>> 'pppon'. That seems to work really well from the small tests I've
>> done.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
>> Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu.tl at gmail.com
>> 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E  FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93
>>
>>     
>
> Agree! Setting your repos to Canadian sources from the default American
> ones will give you download speeds in the 200 range on a consistent
> basis - even here in busy southwestern Ontario...
>
> M.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:31:19 -0500
> From: Ilija Milicevic <engr3337 at gmail.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTinAE-Z3Oc7K3XxTabsuGSJJUP7f1RzLX8DJ9F=N at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Choosing the right mirror is the biggest deal. There is something to be said
> about tweaking the update process. When you have to do a massive update
> (like when doing a fresh install), you have to establish a separate
> connection for each package and when there's thousands of little packages,
> it slows down the whole process to a crawl. As for dialup, it's not a viable
> option any more in most of the world. I think they should still support it
> but I'm talking from a Third World perspective. Had I lived in Europe or
> South America, I wouldn't even consider it as an option. Even here, as long
> as you live in a big city, you still have tethering as a viable option
> (price-wise).
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Che Guebeara <cheguebeara at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 08:29:37 -0500
>> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Alfred <alfred.s at nexicom.net> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi: Ubuntu made it more and more difficult to use Dial up modems
>>>> with all the newer distributions of Ubuntu. Strange thing though,
>>>> almost all the repositories for Ubuntu software, have download
>>>> speeds that are much slower than Dial-up, at 53K per second. It's
>>>> not real cost efficient to use Ultra high Speed Internet and then
>>>> have to wait hours to download even a little file. Maybe this whole
>>>> issue needs to be looked at again. Telus now claims 50 megs per
>>>> second, download speed, but the servers at repositories are only a
>>>> very small fraction of that speed. Those servers are most of them
>>>> still at Dial -up speed.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Alfred,
>>>
>>> I think you may be seeing something different, as I have no issues
>>> getting packages downloaded at very acceptable speeds from the
>>> official ca.archive.u.c mirror as well as archive.u.c and others; from
>>> various locations in Quebec.
>>>
>>> Note that speed reported by a provider and what you will actually get
>>> may vary greatly by location, by the number of people on a region,
>>> etc. Perhaps you could tell us more about your type of connection so
>>> we can see if there's something quick to be done?
>>>
>>> As for standard dial-up, it is indeed no longer supported in UI --
>>> that was a decision made upstream (in NetworkManager). You can still
>>> use dial-up from the command-line, that is, using 'pppconfig' and
>>> 'pppon'. That seems to work really well from the small tests I've
>>> done.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre <mathieu.tl at gmail.com>
>>> Freenode: cyphermox, Jabber: mathieu.tl at gmail.com
>>> 4096R/EE018C93 1967 8F7D 03A1 8F38 732E  FF82 C126 33E1 EE01 8C93
>>>
>>>       
>> Agree! Setting your repos to Canadian sources from the default American
>> ones will give you download speeds in the 200 range on a consistent
>> basis - even here in busy southwestern Ontario...
>>
>> M.
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:38:25 -0500
> From: komputes <komputes at gmail.com>
> To: The Canadian Ubuntu Users Community <ubuntu-ca at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Dial-up Modems no longer supported???
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> On 02/21/2011 09:31 AM, Ilija Milicevic wrote:
>   
>> As for dialup, it's not a viable
>> option any more in most of the world. I think they should still support it
>> but I'm talking from a Third World perspective.
>>     
>
> It is not because a certain technology is not used by the majority that
> it should be removed all together. I think we have made it especially
> hard on people who only have access to telephone to use ubuntuas a
> method of accessing the internet.
>
> Here is the third world use case:
> - User gets CD and installs
> - User tries to connect to the internet via telephone line
> - User hits speed bump
>
> At this point the user learns one of the following:
> - You must learn to use command line (and config files) to connect using
> pppconfig
> - You need access to the internet to download a graphical tool that
> allows simple PPP connection
> - You have a soft modem and require drivers (linuxant and such) that may
> have to be downloaded/purchased
>
> Doesn't make for a very good user experience IMO.
>
> -komputes
>
>   (]( -. .- )[)
>
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