Question

Tue Feb 25 17:02:24 UTC 2014

Hi Everybodyeee..

I want to very clearly state 'this' thread would not be happening right now
if it was not for 'me' advising David Pelly to send out a email and 'ask'
from the community and see what they advise. So I feel responsible !

My sincere and humble apologies to one and all who may have been
upset/offended by the Skype back and forth.

When David Pelly called me and wanted guidance about his VOIP problems I
shared what little I knew but then thought we have so many more
'experienced' folks out there on the list ? So why not ask them and see ?

Not for a second did I think anyone would mind, I was wrong. All am saying
is we all love Ubuntu and Linux this is the reason most if not all of us
are here. I still believe in the Ubuntu philosophy which is a quality that
includes the essential human virtues; compassion and humanity. Humanity
unto others ( be they open sourced or proprietary is what "I" would like to
preach and practice..)

If 'we' are not inclusive and tolerant we become just like them ? There are
many a time "I" have asked questions on this list that  had nothing to do
strictly with the Ubuntu OS ( may have had some relevancy but not what is
considered a strictly relevant question ) and I have got flak and heat but
what I also got in abundance is support and knowledge that helped resolve
whatever issue I may had at the time.

And when I was very new to the list  and I disclosed my status of health, I
really did not expect to remain part of this group. I was expecting a email
from the list moderators suggesting I join a hiv/aids support forum but
what happened is the exact opposite.

I feel comfortable amongst you and I have made many friends and also pissed
off a few with my sometimes lame questions but all in all I have become
part of the group and it is a warm feeling to know there are folks out
there who do understand and who will accommodate and collaborate and help
build ones capacity.

I am saddened a long time contributor to the list decided to leave because
of Skype being discussed. My way of thinking on this is the more we are
'aware' about available options out there the more we are able to make
'informed' decisions ? I understand it must have rubbed some folks the
wrong way and to all of you all I can say is I am truly sorry and if anyone
is to blame it is no one but 'me' for asking David in the first place to
email the community.

I have learned my lesson though, at no time in future will I ever advice
anyone or ask on this list about closed source apps
(.. unless it can be justified somehow )

I have learnt from you all and I keep learning from you on a daily basis so
I would like to remain part of this list but if folks are no longer
comfortable with me being around then I will unsubscribe and ask Darcy to
send me a weekly digest.

Once again my humble apologies to one and all, I hope the person who
decided to leave will reconsider as we all make mistakes in life but
walking away is not a solution.

And to the opinionated blow hard conformance standards weenie who I have
the greatest respect for simply because he was always patient, always ready
to share and always made me 'think' all am saying Bob is if one leaves then
one is depriving a lot of the community from accessing one's lived
experience and expertise?

I also say to thee:* He who does not unsubscribe from the list will remain
to make us die hards look foolish one day :)* but then 'I' do something
that does exactly that on a daily basis :)

If it was me and I was seriously pissed, I would never leave the community
I have learned so much from, I would try and reverse engineer the skype deb
and put it out for the community to use.

I actually did try to exactly that and I learned a few things in the
process. The skype deb I tried to break open. You can break open a .deb in
to all of its component pieces. You know, the preinstall, postinstall
scripts, the man pages and the binaries.

Was quite  learning experience but no cigar the source is not there, should
have known. I tried !

I love all of you and I hope all what I have said will be taken in the
spirit it is meant in. Just a academic point of interest btw on the Skype
download page if you clikc the drop down it shows )

*Choose your distribution:*
ubuntu32  Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit
uUbuntu   12.04 (multiarch)
debian32   Debian 7.0 (multiarch)
fedora32   Fedora 16 32bit
suse32   OpenSUSE 12.1 32bit

In solidarity but with sadness - Aruna ( I tried to crack open a skype deb,
Jeesus what will MS think ? )

On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Darcy Casselman <dscassel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sure.
>
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> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com> wrote:
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>> Can I still be an opinionated blowhard too?
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>> - --Bob.
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>> On 14-02-24 04:35 PM, Darcy Casselman wrote:
>> > Congratulations, Bob, you are now a list moderator. :)
>> >
>> > Darcy.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Bob Jonkman <bjonkman at sobac.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > On 14-02-22 09:30 PM, David M. Pelly wrote:
>> >>>> I have a question to all you techies out there.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And it is not a Ubuntu question.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So I hope no one minds.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This forum is not overly busy with conventional use,
>> >>>> anyways.
>> >
>> > It turns out people *do* mind.  Here's a message I received this
>> > afternoon:
>> >
>> >>>> @bobjonkman so after seeing the Skype
>> >>>> recommendations/cheering in the ubuntu-ca ML this weekend, i
>> >>>> unsubscribed :(
>> >
>> >
>> > The reason topical mailing lists exist is to focus interest on
>> > that one particular topic.  This is an Ubuntu mailing list, and the
>> > topics that are discussed are pretty broad. How to use MagicJack
>> > with Ubuntu, or how to install Skype in Ubuntu would be fair game.
>> > But getting recommendations for a proprietary, non-free,
>> > privacy-robbing service not even remote related to operating
>> > systems isn't one of those topics.
>> >
>> > People are busy, but some make the effort to contribute to the
>> > community anyway. When others don't respect that investment of time
>> > by knowingly and deliberately flaunting mailing list etiquette we
>> > get people dropping out. This person was a long-time contributor
>> > and participant, and the Ubuntu Canada team is made poorer by the
>> > loss.
>> >
>> > --Bob, who is an opinionated blowhard but not a list moderator.
>> >
>> > http://quitter.se/notice/2421258
>> >>
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