Rethinking the Ubuntu Community in Terms of LaunchPad

[José Antonio Rey]

Unfortunately, Launchpad itself is developed by developers for developers.
It has a system devs understand and are happy with. UX is not the main
concern since code is what it is for. Take bugzilla or redmine, for example.

Launchpad is an OS project, so anyone can go ahead and improve stuff. The
LP team is quite small, and I believe that at this point their focus is to
improve the tools in there for developers to do a better job.

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José Antonio Rey
On Dec 18, 2014 6:00 PM, "Gustavo Silva" <gustavosantaremsilva at gmail.com>
wrote:

> @Nathan,
>
> Hello, nice to meet you!
>
> My email was not vague nor content-less. Forgot to mention I agree with
> all suggestions in that blog post and they should be implemented, for the
> sake of many small projects connected via Launchpad. I think you will
> understand now what I mentioned by "outdated".
>
> The development of Ubuntu leads to the development of Linux for several
> reasons which I am not going to mention here because you know it better
> than I do. Besides, LP plays a very important role for themselves,
> apparently, so they should try to make it better.
>
> "What is urgent about the opinion of non-developers who don't have a use
> for Launchpad?"
> This was a bit unnecessary IMO for many reasons. But, I'll guess my
> english and email wasn't very clear. I hope that I've replied to you
> before. Even I, as a non-developer, have a saying, I think. And I don't
> think it is attractive to cooperate in a project that is connected over a
> out-dated, non-practical nor simple platform. Oh, and it's entirely public,
> which totally drives away profitable projects. But, their (Canonical) loss
> if they want to think like that.
>
>
> "And once we have a set of tasks (not vague concerns), we can all work
> together on them."
> Since you put it that way:
> - Proper notification system that doesn't fill your email inbox with too
> many emails;
> - Make it more user-friendly;
> - Create the possibility to create bookmarks/favourites in order to
> quickly jump into a specific project (needless to say, without having to
> save them on your browser);
> - The edit of Blueprints doesn't make much sense, unless the creator
> decides to post a full article and specifications. In a way, LP doesn't
> help much to discuss anything, technical and non-technical. It is confusing
> and you have to read a gigantic wall of text with your attention over 200%.
> - There is no formatting options and there should be - old-fashioned bold,
> italic and underline. Not a complex thing though. I personally don't find
> that useful.
>
> Aside from the UX critic, which I can't say much, I guess these are same
> as proposed in that blog post.
>
> Thanks for replying +1
>
>
> 2014-12-18 22:42 GMT+00:00 Nathan Haines <nhaines at ubuntu.com>:
>>
>> This is a very popular style of email lately, and it's completely
>> contentless.  And this is a big problem because it's a call to action with
>> no regard as to what the action is.
>>
>> The blog post is even worse (in that it's wrong), but since Svetlana
>> doesn't want to discuss it on the list, I will respect her wishes.
>>
>> Gustavo, I appreciate that you want to help, and there are a lot of ways
>> you can help without being a developer!  But the best way you can help with
>> development is to be specific in your concerns.  For example, your email
>> was extremely vague.
>>
>> On 12/18/2014 02:22 PM, Gustavo Silva wrote:
>>
>>> Although I can't contribute in technical terms, I recognize that LP is a
>>> bit out-dated compared to other solutions out there.
>>>
>>
>> In which ways specifically?
>>
>>  In a sense, most of
>>> that blog post makes sense and whoever is responsible for LP should put
>>> some work on hands.
>>>
>>
>> Canonical maintains Launchpad and they think it is complete.  What else,
>> then, should they work on?
>>
>>  However, you guys made clear that it is not that
>>> easy. But, the community has a big role in the development of Linux.
>>>
>>
>> Launchpad is not Linux, and the community had never had a notable role in
>> the development of Launchpad, which was created by Canonical to serve their
>> needs in developing Ubuntu.
>>
>>  Therefore, I think someone must hear us.
>>>
>>
>> Launchpad is a technical development tool.  What is urgent about the
>> opinion of non-developers who don't have a use for Launchpad?
>>
>>  Our importance has to be
>>> considered by them, no matter what.
>>>
>>
>> Bluntly speaking, we're not important.  Those who are important are the
>> target audience of Launchpad, but Canonical considers that to be developers
>> directly working with Ubuntu code.
>>
>> "No matter what" is almost always wrong.
>>
>> There's been a lot of general hand-wringing in this thread, but we're
>> trying really hard to come up with concrete things that the community can
>> do.  Launchpad development isn't one of them (because Canonical is no
>> longer actively developing it) but I would love to hear specific goals that
>> you think can be accomplished.
>>
>> And once we have a set of tasks (not vague concerns), we can all work
>> together on them.
>>
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>> Nathan Haines
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>>
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> Gustavo
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