G-p-m hding while on AC

[Øivind Hoel]

On 3/9/06, Sandis Neilands <sandisn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Øivind!
>
> On 3/9/06, Øivind Hoel <oivind.hoel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 3/9/06, Sandis Neilands <sandisn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello again!
> > >
> > > On 3/9/06, Christian Bjälevik <nafallo at magicalforest.se> wrote:
> > > > >  If you are chasing space on panel, try removing that
> > > > > useless logout icon, which is fairly well accesible from menu, doesn't
> > > > > indicate any state (or anything at all) and takes the most valuable
> > > > > space on panel (for right handed users) while being used twice a day
> > > > > (or less).
> > > > I like it there. It saves me to use the menu when I want to log out
> > > > using my mouse. I use the keyboard most of times though :-P.
> > >
> > > Hmmm, if our likes or dislikes are our only arguments for or against
> > > things, then we can quickly get into trouble. For now, I haven't seen
> > > any valid (technical, usability, etc) reason for that icon being in
> > > that place.
> >
> > Indeed. However, the standard thing for all portable devices I've ever
> > come across is to always display the battery status, no matter if it's
> > fully loaded, charging, discharging or plain empty.
> >
> > As already mentioned, screen real-estate is a non-issue (atleast on a
> > modern laptop with >= 1024x768 resolution, which as far as I know
> > something you'll need to run gnome 2.14).
> >
> > The disappearance of the icon is confusing, and only people who *know*
> > the fact that the icon is set to disappear when the battery is full
> > and on AC will understand that this effectively means their laptop is
> > ready to hit the highway.
> >
> > Other people will start wondering if something is wrong. Maybe their
> > laptop is malfunctioning and needs a reboot?
>
> Good points and I agree with you on this issue. However when I wrote
> that paragraph I had a log out icon in the corner in mind.

Sorry, add me to the "misread" junkies ;-)

>
> > >
> > > > > I find this kind of decision making disturbing. Major change should be
> > > > > discussed on -devel or -desktop BEFORE applied, not the other way
> > > > > around. Another good example for behind-the-curtains decision is GDM
> > > > > login screen and options menu.
> > > > From what I've seen not many people answer on those querys, when they
> > > > are made.
> > >
> > > No, wrong. Look at the recent "Firefox and the `you have chosen to
> > > open ...' dialogue" thread in devel and desktop lists. However if
> > > nobody answers, you can assume that nobody cares that much and do as
> > > you will. But at least you would have been asked.
> > >
> > > >For the logout-button I think it's an sabdfl decision (corrent
> > > > me if I'm wrong please) but it's often easiest to make a change and see
> > > > how the community like it. They will complain if they don't ;-).
> > >
> > > Well, I'm part of the comunity and I hate it (the icon in the corner,
> > > not Mark :)
> >
> > As far as the top right logout icon, I rather thought that change was
> > a sensible one. It's far easier to log out via that than the menu. Of
> > course, now that we have g-p-m, my main use of the logout icon can
> > simply be replaced by "close laptop lid", but at the time of writing,
> > not every laptop user out there is as lucky as me when it comes to
> > suspend++ support.
>
> Hey, but how about those ~80% users (made this up in my mind) with
> desktop PCs'? It's nice that ubuntu cares about laptop owners, but for
> desktop users this icon is useless.

I think g-p-m should be smart enough (since it's all into chatting
with HAL) to not display the battery icon (or even a lone power cord)
when there isn't actually a battery or UPS present, and if not, I'd
consider that a bug. Good point though.

>
> > And since sabdfl is wikipedia's main benevolent dictator for life
> > example, I think you all have to live with it there, at least for
> > dapper, anyway.
>
> No, i will remove it (of course if menu item won't be ripped off).
> --
> Sandis
>