Replace Shotwell (was F-Spot) with Solang?

[Danny Piccirillo]

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 04:50, Alin-Andrei <nilarimogard at gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as I know, Solang was even removed from Debian due to it being highly
> unstable.

I don't believe it was removed, but simply wasn't packaged in time?

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 05:29, Sebastien Bacher <seb128 at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Le jeudi 20 mai 2010 à 03:38 -0400, Danny Piccirillo a écrit :
>> If Solang
>> proved itself in time for Maverick +1 i'm afraid it would be left out
>> simply because we've already changed the default once recently.
>
> Hi,
>
> Do you work on solang? You seem to be pushing a lot for it. Robert did a
> good summary for the reason for the choice.

No, i'm not really involved with the Solang project in any way. I just
started hearing about it, i forget where, and it seems like they're
just doing things right. I had the same experience with Telepathy and
PiTiVi (both of which are now in the default Ubuntu install) =]

> We will not revisit the
> lucid discussion for different reasons:
>
> - there is some way to go from non being in Ubuntu to being in the
> default installation, if you care strongly about solang you should start
> by trying to get it in universe so it can get testing. It's hard to give
> the software  a try or review it as long as it's not available for our
> users...

This is very true, and i'd love to help, but i don't have any of the
needed skills to do this? If someone would like to teach me, awesome!

> - depending on tracker is a blocker, we had tracker activated by default
> in previous ubuntu version but had to stop doing that due to the impact
> it's having on system performances and io load. We will likely look at
> the new tracker and evaluate it but we don't have ressources to spend on
> it for lucid since it's not on our priority list. We do plan to get it
> uptodate and working in universe though

Yes this is a legitimate concern. When was tracker last included in
the default install and what version was it at?

> - we can revisit our choice next cycle, we try to ship the best of what
> is available in the opensource world in Ubuntu, if it turns that solang
> is much better we will consider it next cycle

That is a relief but i'm still afraid that by that time it will be
harder to prove it's much better because currently they both are on
par and perhaps not "better" feature-wise than f-spot, but both much
better potential-wise. To me it seems (if tracker doesn't still have
performance issues) that Solang is done right and has greater
potential than Shotwell, but by next release it will be much more
about features and Solang will need to be a big leap ahead of Shotwell
where as right now both of them are about on par with F-Spot and some
have even said they are a regression. I do think that the fact that
most people are frustrated with F-Spot, and therefore the extra
features are meaningless since people don't even want to use the
product for one reason or another. I don't mean that Solang and
Shotwell shouldn't or won't improve, but i think moving from F-Spot is
reasonable.

> How does it look to you? Would you be wanting to work to get solang in
> universe during this cycle, getting it and tracker updated in universe
> would be a first good step to give it testing in Ubuntu

I would love to. Should i just file packaging bugs, or get involved
with the packaging process? I have no experience with the latter, so
it'd be nice to get some help

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