On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 08:37:38PM -0500, kahping wrote: > umm... maybe i'm just a forum newbie... > > i don't see anything attached to this post Perhaps the forum does not preserve attachments sent to the mailing list. There were three attachments: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-December/002104.html -- - mdz