zwike seems a step backwards IMHO (was:Re: zwiki.org seems down so a few questions)

[Ben Edwards (lists)]

On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 11:06 -0700, Simon Michael wrote:
> Quick answers:
> 
> >'''Other Languages: {de} [wiki:GermanWebsite Deutsch] | {es}
> >[wiki:SpanishDocumentation Español] '''
> >  
> >
> Zwiki doesn't have special multilingual content features yet, and no-one 
> has really built a zwiki with multilingual content. I'd start with 
> manual links. RemoteWikiLinks might let you write links like [de:page 
> name]. (de is a page pointing to a separate wiki.) We could add some 
> logic in the skin to add appropriate links when translations exist.
> 
> >And lastly how do we do [[TableOfContents()]]?
> >  
> >
> Zwiki has a more powerful embedded scripting language called DTML. This 
> is what we use for such things on zwiki.org and zopewiki.org. But it's 
> not enabled on ubuntulinux.org and it's not clear yet whether it will 
> be. If not,  it would be feasible to add some limited tags like these, 
> it would just take work.

'a more powerfull shripting language' sound like a great thing for a CMS
- but not a wiki.

I cant see how the new wiki is ever going to be able to create
documentation which is usable/easy to navigate.   If there was a
standard bit of DHTML to do this, and DTML was turned on - this would be
a step in the write direction - but I again I think we are going away
from wiki territory towards CMS.

I was hoping we could use the wiki to develop a complete set of usable
documentation, rather than a scratch pad for stuff to be moved into the
'official' documentation.

Is it even possible to hand build internal links in pages - again a step
in the correct direction but hardly very user friendly.

I am sure there are lots of great features in zwiki - but they seem to
be moving away from the idea of wiki - quick and easy / accessible for
new users - and towards cms - flexible but with a learning curve.

Just my opinion, what do others think.

Ben
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