From mailbox at mistrynitesh.net  Mon Nov  1 16:40:19 2010
From: mailbox at mistrynitesh.net (Nitesh Mistry)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 22:10:19 +0530
Subject: sort order of k-docs index page less user-friendly
Message-ID: <20101101164019.GA1125@kubuntu>

Hello all,

The index page of Kubuntu system documentation lists the section heading
in the alphabetical order of link names. Because of this, some sections
which may be important (from the point of view of the user) like 'Internet'
and 'Getting Support' are listed at the end of the page (because the link
name is 'web' and 'support' respectively) and the user has to scroll till
the end to discover that section.

Two solutions I can think of is either change the way build script sorts
the links or we can give pre-defined numbers at the beginning of the section
names.

Just my opinion. ;)


-- 
Regards,
Nitesh Mistry
www.mistrynitesh.com
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From mailbox at mistrynitesh.net  Tue Nov  2 09:54:00 2010
From: mailbox at mistrynitesh.net (Nitesh Mistry)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:24:00 +0530
Subject: Bug 638258 in kubuntu-docs seems important
In-Reply-To: <20101024145156.GB4976@mistrys>
References: <20101024143657.GA4976@mistrys>
 <20101024145156.GB4976@mistrys>
Message-ID: <20101102095400.GA1932@kubuntu>

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 08:21:57PM +0530, Nitesh Mistry wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 08:06:57PM +0530, Nitesh Mistry wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > Please have a look at bug 638258 [0]. As the reporter has pointed out
> > that release name on the netbook section of kubuntu-docs is Lucid Lynx
> > and not Maverick Meerkat.
> > 
> > It can be seen that the value of 'distro-version' in global entity file
> > has remained unchanged as "Lucid Lynx". So I guess that it would show
> > this error in all the pages.
> > 
> > I have corrected this error and created a merge proposal.
> > 
> > Requesting the committers to have a look at it.
> 
> Extremely sorry to have omitted giving link to the bug [0]. Also giving
> link to the merge proposal [1].
> 
> [0] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/638258
> [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~mistrynitesh/kubuntu-docs/fix638258/+merge/38501

Just a little reminder in case this failed to grab the eyeballs of core-doc members
:)


-- 
Regards,
Nitesh Mistry
www.mistrynitesh.com
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From listas at gestiong.org  Thu Nov  4 16:53:43 2010
From: listas at gestiong.org (santilistas)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 17:53:43 +0100
Subject: Problems with gnome-user-guide-es package
Message-ID: <4CD2E517.3050502@gestiong.org>

Hello,

I have just installed ubuntu 10.10 and noticed that after installing
the following packages:

language-pack-es language-pack-es-base language-pack-gnome-es
language-pack-gnome-es-base language-support-es
language-support-writing-es gnome-user-guide-es

the spanish translations of the gnome user guide is not coming up, but
the english one.

After peeking around the debian packages, I see that the package

gnome-user-guide-es

installs files, among others, in

/usr/share/gnome/help/user-guide/es

but those files are symbolic links to files in

/usr/share/gnome/help-langpack/user-guide

and that directory doesn't exist at all.

Is this a known issue?

I couldn't find a package to install those missing files and looking
around on internet I haven't found anything.

Thanks
--santilin



From satan.666_1 at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  6 06:47:13 2010
From: satan.666_1 at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?Y2xvc2UgdG8gZXZlcnl0aGluZy4uLi4uZmFyIG9mIGV2ZXJ5dGhpbiBw?= =?iso-8859-1?B?ZfFh?=)
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From seth_666_tl at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 09:36:14 2010
From: seth_666_tl at yahoo.com (Seth-666 :-))
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 02:36:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <167316.51480.qm@web57506.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hello can you seend me some documentation, i want to make a ubuntu server  for a 
hosting of counter strike 1.6



Ubuntu Server Guide
Ubuntu Documentation Project <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com> 
Copyright ?? 2004, 2005, 2006 Canonical Ltd. and members of the Ubuntu 
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From eagles051387 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 07:48:49 2010
From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:48:49 +0100
Subject: updating wiki
Message-ID: <AANLkTim8c-HyEj4VPPhmNmf+BZ9DzoWT+D6jPKdAp4RO@mail.gmail.com>

I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I have
noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have reached
their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and getting them
upto date with the latest supported releases.

-- 
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From joe.maverick.sett at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 03:21:41 2010
From: joe.maverick.sett at gmail.com (Ye Myat Kaung)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:21:41 +0800
Subject: Patch for bug Bug #626382
Message-ID: <20101116112141.03b199b0@Maverick>

Hello,

I found that this Bug #626382:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/626382
Although the fix for "ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu" is released, still
exists on:
https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/musicvideophotos/C/photos-import.html
So, I've done a patch for it, could someone take a look at it and guide
me more, if I could/should attach it to the bug report or if I should
include more details.

It's my first try with bazaar and patching! :)
-- 
Ye Myat Kaung
(a.k.a JoeMaverickSett on irc.freenode.net)
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeMaverickSett
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From michaelprice04 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 17:53:51 2010
From: michaelprice04 at gmail.com (Michael Price)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:53:51 -0500
Subject: Ubuntu Netbook Edition
Message-ID: <AANLkTikz8588g3eifjAqTogchRNjW6mC8TQpNvHz45dT@mail.gmail.com>

Out of curiosity and before I waste my time, especially since Natty will be
using the Unity interface. Is it even worth while to try to expand on the
documentation that  Dougie Richardson started to work on for the Ubuntu
Netbook Edition(remix)?
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From a at ninjagod.com  Sat Nov 20 07:08:28 2010
From: a at ninjagod.com (Anirudh Sanjeev)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 12:38:28 +0530
Subject: ANNOUNCE: Tuxtorial - an easy way to create and share Linux Tutorials
Message-ID: <AANLkTimU667tE8wj+gMV2FeJFR_yD+GL5ap4EV1+3T9s@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I want to show you a product we've been building for the last few months.

http://tuxtorial.com

Tuxtorial makes it easy to write and share tutorials for software in
Linux. An intuitive desktop application helps you gather screenshots,
code fragments, and outputs from shell commands, without disturbing
the natural workflow. Edit and annotate screenshots, write
instructions, and stitch everything together using the integrated
Storyboard. Instantly publish your tutorial online when finished.

Tuxtorial was built with an aim to improve the quality and quantity of
Desktop Linux Documentation. It represents nearly four months of
absolute full-time effort. We would really appreciate it if you could
take the time to share this with anyone who might find it relevant.
Please feel free to contact me with any suggestions, questions or
comments. I apologize sincerely if this email isn't relevant.

Thank you for your time,
Anirudh
--
http://anirudhsanjeev.org



From rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com  Sat Nov 20 16:29:15 2010
From: rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com (Connor Imes)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:29:15 -0500
Subject: Patch for bug Bug #626382
In-Reply-To: <20101116112141.03b199b0@Maverick>
References: <20101116112141.03b199b0@Maverick>
Message-ID: <4CE7F75B.6040904@ubuntu.com>

Hi Ye Myat Kaung,

I posted a response to your patch on the bug report [1].  It looks like
you have the bazaar and editing part done just fine, you just used the
incorrect project/branch to make the changes.

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/626382

As a tip, you will need to use a reference from the file
"libs/gnome-menus-C.ent" in the format "&shotwell;" to edit the DocBook
XML correctly.  There are examples throughout the docs to see how it is
done.

Good luck!
-Connor


On 11/15/2010 10:21 PM, Ye Myat Kaung wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I found that this Bug #626382:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+bug/626382
> Although the fix for "ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu" is released, still
> exists on:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/musicvideophotos/C/photos-import.html
> So, I've done a patch for it, could someone take a look at it and guide
> me more, if I could/should attach it to the bug report or if I should
> include more details.
>
> It's my first try with bazaar and patching! :)
>   



From rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com  Sat Nov 20 16:32:15 2010
From: rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com (Connor Imes)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:32:15 -0500
Subject: updating wiki
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim8c-HyEj4VPPhmNmf+BZ9DzoWT+D6jPKdAp4RO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim8c-HyEj4VPPhmNmf+BZ9DzoWT+D6jPKdAp4RO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE7F80F.8030407@ubuntu.com>

Hi Jonathan,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages that
need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to date.

[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
[2] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag

Cheers,
-Connor

On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
> have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
> reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
> getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>
> -- 
> Jonathan Aquilina



From rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com  Sat Nov 20 16:36:49 2010
From: rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com (Connor Imes)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:36:49 -0500
Subject: updating wiki
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikK=e28V-50NMFEY7yngpqRjtLKikjR9yz1USWY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim8c-HyEj4VPPhmNmf+BZ9DzoWT+D6jPKdAp4RO@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CE7F80F.8030407@ubuntu.com>
	<AANLkTikK=e28V-50NMFEY7yngpqRjtLKikjR9yz1USWY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE7F921.2010800@ubuntu.com>

The wiki pages are maintained by the community, so there isn't a team
that validates modifications to pages.  If you are unsure about
directions, you can seek support from other users or particular teams
with expertise in that area.  As a result of this, some pages are better
supported than others.
-Connor

On 11/20/2010 11:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who
> know how things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and
> correctness in the steps in the tutorial?
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com
> <mailto:rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Jonathan,
>
>     Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
>     any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
>     some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the
>     wiki
>     correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
>     You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2]
>     pages that
>     need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully
>     up to date.
>
>     [1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
>     [2] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>
>     Cheers,
>     -Connor
>
>     On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>     > I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
>     > have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which
>     have
>     > reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating
>     them, and
>     > getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>     >
>     > --
>     > Jonathan Aquilina
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Jonathan Aquilina
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From joe.maverick.sett at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 17:12:09 2010
From: joe.maverick.sett at gmail.com (Ye Myat Kaung)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 01:12:09 +0800
Subject: Patch for bug Bug #626382
In-Reply-To: <4CE7F75B.6040904@ubuntu.com>
References: <20101116112141.03b199b0@Maverick>
	<4CE7F75B.6040904@ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <20101121011209.36aa7663@Maverick>

Yes, I checked the bazaar branch and I got the wrong one. And I'm
already going through the docs. Thanks for your help.

>On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 11:29:15 -0500
>Connor Imes <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:

> Hi Ye Myat Kaung,
> 
> I posted a response to your patch on the bug report [1].  It looks
> like you have the bazaar and editing part done just fine, you just
> used the incorrect project/branch to make the changes.
> 
> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/626382
> 
> As a tip, you will need to use a reference from the file
> "libs/gnome-menus-C.ent" in the format "&shotwell;" to edit the
> DocBook XML correctly.  There are examples throughout the docs to see
> how it is done.
> 
> Good luck!
> -Connor


-- 
Ye Myat Kaung
(a.k.a JoeMaverickSett on irc.freenode.net)
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeMaverickSett



From phillw at ubuntu.com  Sat Nov 20 23:11:39 2010
From: phillw at ubuntu.com (Phill Whiteside)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 23:11:39 +0000
Subject: updating wiki
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim8c-HyEj4VPPhmNmf+BZ9DzoWT+D6jPKdAp4RO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim8c-HyEj4VPPhmNmf+BZ9DzoWT+D6jPKdAp4RO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin=F_rzoLk8gL7gKVYbBpByF-kGbUYT1wTCiU9c@mail.gmail.com>

Jonathon,

I also apologise for the delay, life has been a little hectic, have a look
at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam specifically the
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Docs area. There are some
very experienced people available via the Ubuntu Beginner Team. I'm quite
good in my knowledge of wiki but I do go ask them for advice when I'm
unsure.

Regards,
Phill.



On 10 November 2010 07:48, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I have
> noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have reached
> their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and getting them
> upto date with the latest supported releases.
>
> --
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
> --
> ubuntu-doc mailing list
> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
>
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From yazdani at un.org  Sat Nov 20 23:31:00 2010
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From eagles051387 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 16:36:59 2010
From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 17:36:59 +0100
Subject: updating wiki
In-Reply-To: <4CE7F80F.8030407@ubuntu.com>
References: <AANLkTim8c-HyEj4VPPhmNmf+BZ9DzoWT+D6jPKdAp4RO@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CE7F80F.8030407@ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikK=e28V-50NMFEY7yngpqRjtLKikjR9yz1USWY@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who know how
things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and correctness in the
steps in the tutorial?

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
> any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
> some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
> correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
> You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages that
> need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to
> date.
>
> [1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
> [2] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>
> Cheers,
> -Connor
>
> On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> > I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
> > have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
> > reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
> > getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Aquilina
>



-- 
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From zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 00:01:46 2010
From: zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com (Zach Kriesse)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 18:01:46 -0600
Subject: updating wiki
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikK=e28V-50NMFEY7yngpqRjtLKikjR9yz1USWY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim8c-HyEj4VPPhmNmf+BZ9DzoWT+D6jPKdAp4RO@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CE7F80F.8030407@ubuntu.com>
	<AANLkTikK=e28V-50NMFEY7yngpqRjtLKikjR9yz1USWY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6C8D165D-F01D-4834-A8A7-A82B2C375386@gmail.com>

Depends upon the importance of the page and who edited it  but sometimes pages can be lost. I myself along with Phillw are part of the Ubuntu Doc team and Ubuntu Doc/Wiki Admins team so we have a bit more of a responsibility look over pages...if you're ever in doubt send an email to the list, join #ubuntu-doc on irc.freenode.net, or send me or phillw an email...glad to see your interest in contributing...

Cheers!
Zach K

On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com> wrote:

> thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who know how things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and correctness in the steps in the tutorial?
> 
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
> any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
> some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
> correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
> You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages that
> need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to date.
> 
> [1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
> [2] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
> 
> Cheers,
> -Connor
> 
> On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> > I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
> > have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
> > reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
> > getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Aquilina
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Aquilina
> -- 
> ubuntu-doc mailing list
> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
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From david.wonderly at kubuntu.org  Sun Nov 21 07:00:15 2010
From: david.wonderly at kubuntu.org (David Wonderly)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 23:00:15 -0800
Subject: Kubuntu Documentation for the 11.04/4.6 cycle
Message-ID: <201011202300.16028.david.wonderly@kubuntu.org>

Hey guys, 

I have updated the Wiki [1] to reflect and get ready for the Kubuntu 
Documentation Natty cycle. If you can please add your name and give a target 
date out there. If you can send us the .diff that would be awesome to get this 
started. If you need help understanding the Doc Book styling that we use 
please read up a bit on Doc Book [2].

If you wish to help me backport 10.10/4.5 docs please email me and let me 
know. However, priority is 11.04.

For those of us with Commit access, please ensure that you validate the xml 
before you commit anything. If you are approving a patch, please validate 
before approving it.

If you are the type who like to play editor-in-chief please add your name in 
the notes for each doc that you have checked for editing. 

We can start now getting things ready and doing the larger updates then do 
minor ones as time goes on closer to release and as features get added. Once 
you add your name to a doc please follow it through to the end. If you are 
unable to continue with the doc please, I am begging you please drop a line 
either to this list or on the wiki letting someone know that you will no 
longer be updating that doc so, we don't find out at the end of everything.

Good luck and always remember, you can reach me on IRC as DarkwingDuck or 
email me here with any questions that you may have.

Thank you all for your continued help and I am looking forward to working with 
you all in the coming months.

Dave Wonderly
DarkwingDuck

[1] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo/Natty#Kubuntu%20Natty%20Docs
[2] http://www.docbook.org/



From eagles051387 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 08:34:21 2010
From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:34:21 +0100
Subject: updating wiki
In-Reply-To: <6C8D165D-F01D-4834-A8A7-A82B2C375386@gmail.com>
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Zach thign is the wiki's need an overhaul in general imho as they have how
to's for release which have been EOL'ed ages ago.

also for instance there is no mention on the dovecot wiki that encrypted
home directories shouldnt be used. i have spent the last month trying to
figure out why im having email issues :(.

Would it be possible to develop some sort of game plan to update all wiki's
and how to's so they are up to date with more recent supported releases?

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>wrote:

> Depends upon the importance of the page and who edited it  but sometimes
> pages can be lost. I myself along with Phillw are part of the Ubuntu Doc
> team and Ubuntu Doc/Wiki Admins team so we have a bit more of a
> responsibility look over pages...if you're ever in doubt send an email to
> the list, join #ubuntu-doc on irc.freenode.net, or send me or phillw an
> email...glad to see your interest in contributing...
>
> Cheers!
> Zach K
>
> On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who know how
> things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and correctness in the
> steps in the tutorial?
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes < <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com>
> rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jonathan,
>>
>> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
>> any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
>> some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
>> correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
>> You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages that
>> need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to
>> date.
>>
>> [1] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide>
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
>> [2] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag>
>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Connor
>>
>> On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>> > I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
>> > have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
>> > reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
>> > getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jonathan Aquilina
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
> --
> ubuntu-doc mailing list
> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
>
>


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From tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Nov 21 08:48:47 2010
From: tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Davies)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:48:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: updating wiki
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Hi :)

I think it is wise for pages to state which release they are written for, 
especially if there is 'some' coding on the page.  However i usually find that 
only sundry petty changes need to be made, for example a coding line that 
includes the word "dapper" might need to be edited to read "lucid" because Lucid 
Lynx, the 10.04, is the latest LTS release.

Yes it would be 'nice' if someone with recent experience using those pages were 
able to go through and make the tiny changes and then check that the advice 
still works.

Obviously the dovecot wiki 'urgently' needs that  update because more people 
appear to be using encrypted partitions now = or is it still only recent Windows 
converts that bother?  Is there any chance of you doing the edit there Jonathon, 
since you know the change that is needed but other people might not be so 
familiar with that page?

Good luck and regards from
Tom :)




________________________________
From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
To: Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>
Cc: Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:34:21
Subject: Re: updating wiki

Zach thign is the wiki's need an overhaul in general imho as they have how to's 
for release which have been EOL'ed ages ago.

also for instance there is no mention on the dovecot wiki that encrypted home 
directories shouldnt be used. i have spent the last month trying to figure out 
why im having email issues :(.

Would it be possible to develop some sort of game plan to update all wiki's and 
how to's so they are up to date with more recent supported releases?


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com> wrote:

Depends upon the importance of the page and who edited it  but sometimes pages 
can be lost. I myself along with Phillw are part of the Ubuntu Doc team and 
Ubuntu Doc/Wiki Admins team so we have a bit more of a responsibility look over 
pages...if you're ever in doubt send an email to the list, join #ubuntu-doc on 
irc.freenode.net, or send me or phillw an email...glad to see your interest in 
contributing...
>
>Cheers!
>Zach K
>
>On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who know how 
>things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and correctness in the 
>steps in the tutorial?
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Jonathan,
>>>
>>>Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
>>>any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
>>>some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
>>>correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
>>>You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages that
>>>need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to date.
>>>
>>>[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
>>>[2] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>-Connor
>>>
>>>
>>>On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>>> I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
>>>> have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
>>>> reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
>>>> getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Jonathan Aquilina
>>
-- 
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>ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
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From eagles051387 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 08:54:24 2010
From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:54:24 +0100
Subject: Fwd: updating wiki
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forgot to include the doc list here

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: updating wiki
To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>


i can do it just ahve to add a gigantic warning to not put the Maildir in an
encrypted home directory. other then that the wiki is fine considering i
have never setup an email server before its been quite a learning
experience. but ill try and update the wiki today :)


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi :)
>
> I think it is wise for pages to state which release they are written for,
> especially if there is 'some' coding on the page.  However i usually find
> that only sundry petty changes need to be made, for example a coding line
> that includes the word "dapper" might need to be edited to read "lucid"
> because Lucid Lynx, the 10.04, is the latest LTS release.
>
> Yes it would be 'nice' if someone with recent experience using those pages
> were able to go through and make the tiny changes and then check that the
> advice still works.
>
> Obviously the dovecot wiki 'urgently' needs that update because more people
> appear to be using encrypted partitions now = or is it still only recent
> Windows converts that bother?  Is there any chance of you doing the edit
> there Jonathon, since you know the change that is needed but other people
> might not be so familiar with that page?
>
>
> Good luck and regards from
> Tom :)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:34:21
> *Subject:* Re: updating wiki
>
> Zach thign is the wiki's need an overhaul in general imho as they have how
> to's for release which have been EOL'ed ages ago.
>
> also for instance there is no mention on the dovecot wiki that encrypted
> home directories shouldnt be used. i have spent the last month trying to
> figure out why im having email issues :(.
>
> Would it be possible to develop some sort of game plan to update all wiki's
> and how to's so they are up to date with more recent supported releases?
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Depends upon the importance of the page and who edited it  but sometimes
>> pages can be lost. I myself along with Phillw are part of the Ubuntu Doc
>> team and Ubuntu Doc/Wiki Admins team so we have a bit more of a
>> responsibility look over pages...if you're ever in doubt send an email to
>> the list, join #ubuntu-doc on irc.freenode.net, or send me or phillw an
>> email...glad to see your interest in contributing...
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Zach K
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who know
>> how things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and correctness in
>> the steps in the tutorial?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes < <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com>
>> rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
>>> any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
>>> some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
>>> correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
>>> You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages that
>>> need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to
>>> date.
>>>
>>> [1] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide>
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
>>> [2] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag>
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Connor
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>> > I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
>>> > have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
>>> > reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
>>> > getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Jonathan Aquilina
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>
>> --
>> ubuntu-doc mailing list
>> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
>


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From eagles051387 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 09:09:57 2010
From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:09:57 +0100
Subject: updating wiki
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if the home directory is encrypted a super easy fix is to create another
user and use that account for email.

im using a super simple setup where the user has to have an account on the
server to have email.

i think regardless if you have a separate partition if the home folder is
encrypted with encryptfs then youll have problems.

im on the irc channel as eagles0513875 if anyone wants to take the
discussion there.


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi :)
>
> I think it is wise for pages to state which release they are written for,
> especially if there is 'some' coding on the page.  However i usually find
> that only sundry petty changes need to be made, for example a coding line
> that includes the word "dapper" might need to be edited to read "lucid"
> because Lucid Lynx, the 10.04, is the latest LTS release.
>
> Yes it would be 'nice' if someone with recent experience using those pages
> were able to go through and make the tiny changes and then check that the
> advice still works.
>
> Obviously the dovecot wiki 'urgently' needs that update because more people
> appear to be using encrypted partitions now = or is it still only recent
> Windows converts that bother?  Is there any chance of you doing the edit
> there Jonathon, since you know the change that is needed but other people
> might not be so familiar with that page?
>
>
> Good luck and regards from
> Tom :)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:34:21
> *Subject:* Re: updating wiki
>
> Zach thign is the wiki's need an overhaul in general imho as they have how
> to's for release which have been EOL'ed ages ago.
>
> also for instance there is no mention on the dovecot wiki that encrypted
> home directories shouldnt be used. i have spent the last month trying to
> figure out why im having email issues :(.
>
> Would it be possible to develop some sort of game plan to update all wiki's
> and how to's so they are up to date with more recent supported releases?
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Depends upon the importance of the page and who edited it  but sometimes
>> pages can be lost. I myself along with Phillw are part of the Ubuntu Doc
>> team and Ubuntu Doc/Wiki Admins team so we have a bit more of a
>> responsibility look over pages...if you're ever in doubt send an email to
>> the list, join #ubuntu-doc on irc.freenode.net, or send me or phillw an
>> email...glad to see your interest in contributing...
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Zach K
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who know
>> how things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and correctness in
>> the steps in the tutorial?
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes < <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com>
>> rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
>>> any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
>>> some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
>>> correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
>>> You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages that
>>> need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to
>>> date.
>>>
>>> [1] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide>
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
>>> [2] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag>
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Connor
>>>
>>> On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>> > I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
>>> > have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
>>> > reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
>>> > getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Jonathan Aquilina
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>
>> --
>> ubuntu-doc mailing list
>> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
>


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From tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Nov 21 09:13:49 2010
From: tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Davies)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:13:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Fwd: updating wiki
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Good, good.

It is sometimes ok to break out of a mailing list for a few mails and then give 
the list an update later = so that was all fine, don't worry.

Check typos and spellings in Documentation you edit.  Saying "ahve" in a mail is 
ok, most people convert that to "have" without even noticing but in 
documentation it is more important to try to get sepllings right (or american)

I think the main thing is congrats on getting the mail-server working despite 
documentation leading you astray ;)
Congrats and regards from
Tom :)




________________________________
From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
To: Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:54:24
Subject: Fwd: updating wiki

forgot to include the doc list here


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: updating wiki
To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>


i can do it just ahve to add a gigantic warning to not put the Maildir in an 
encrypted home directory. other then that the wiki is fine considering i have 
never setup an email server before its been quite a learning experience. but ill 
try and update the wiki today :)



On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi :)
>
>I think it is wise for pages to state which release they are written for, 
>especially if there is 'some' coding on the page.  However i usually find that 
>only sundry petty changes need to be made, for example a coding line that 
>includes the word "dapper" might need to be edited to read "lucid" because Lucid 
>Lynx, the 10.04, is the latest LTS release.
>
>Yes it would be 'nice' if someone with recent experience using those pages were 
>able to go through and make the tiny changes and then check that the advice 
>still works.
>
>Obviously the dovecot wiki 'urgently' needs that  update because more people 
>appear to be using encrypted partitions now = or is it still only recent Windows 
>converts that bother?  Is there any chance of you doing the edit there Jonathon, 
>since you know  the change that is needed but other people might not be so 
>familiar with that page?
>
>
>Good luck and regards from
>Tom :)
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>To: Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>
>Cc: Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Sent: Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:34:21
>Subject: Re: updating wiki
>
>
>Zach thign is the wiki's need an overhaul in general imho as they have how to's 
>for release which have been EOL'ed ages ago.
>
>
>also  for instance there is no mention on the dovecot wiki that encrypted home 
>directories shouldnt be used. i have spent the last month trying to figure out 
>why im having email issues :(.
>
>
>Would it be possible to develop some sort of game plan to update all wiki's and 
>how to's so they are up to date with more recent supported releases?
>
>
>On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Depends upon the importance of the page and who edited it  but sometimes pages 
>can be lost. I myself along with Phillw are part of the Ubuntu Doc team and 
>Ubuntu Doc/Wiki Admins team so we have a bit more of a responsibility look over 
>pages...if you're ever in doubt send an email to the list, join #ubuntu-doc on 
>irc.freenode.net, or send me or phillw an email...glad to see your interest in 
>contributing...
>>
>>Cheers!
>>Zach K
>>
>>On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com> 
wrote:
>>
>>
>>thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who know how 
>>things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and correctness in the 
>>steps in the tutorial?
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Jonathan,
>>>>
>>>>Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
>>>>any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
>>>>some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
>>>>correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
>>>>You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages that
>>>>need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to date.
>>>>
>>>>[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
>>>>[2] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>-Connor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>>>> I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
>>>>> have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
>>>>> reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
>>>>> getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Jonathan Aquilina
>>>
>-- 
>>ubuntu-doc mailing list
>>ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
>>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
>>
>
>
>-- 
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>
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From eagles051387 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 09:22:05 2010
From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:22:05 +0100
Subject: Fwd: updating wiki
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thanks tome will update you guys once the update is complete.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> Good, good.
>
> It is sometimes ok to break out of a mailing list for a few mails and then
> give the list an update later = so that was all fine, don't worry.
>
> Check typos and spellings in Documentation you edit.  Saying "ahve" in a
> mail is ok, most people convert that to "have" without even noticing but in
> documentation it is more important to try to get sepllings right (or
> american)
>
> I think the main thing is congrats on getting the mail-server working
> despite documentation leading you astray ;)
> Congrats and regards from
> Tom :)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:54:24
> *Subject:* Fwd: updating wiki
>
> forgot to include the doc list here
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:53 AM
> Subject: Re: updating wiki
> To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
>
>
> i can do it just ahve to add a gigantic warning to not put the Maildir in
> an encrypted home directory. other then that the wiki is fine considering i
> have never setup an email server before its been quite a learning
> experience. but ill try and update the wiki today :)
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>>
>> I think it is wise for pages to state which release they are written for,
>> especially if there is 'some' coding on the page.  However i usually find
>> that only sundry petty changes need to be made, for example a coding line
>> that includes the word "dapper" might need to be edited to read "lucid"
>> because Lucid Lynx, the 10.04, is the latest LTS release.
>>
>> Yes it would be 'nice' if someone with recent experience using those pages
>> were able to go through and make the tiny changes and then check that the
>> advice still works.
>>
>> Obviously the dovecot wiki 'urgently' needs that update because more
>> people appear to be using encrypted partitions now = or is it still only
>> recent Windows converts that bother?  Is there any chance of you doing the
>> edit there Jonathon, since you know the change that is needed but other
>> people might not be so familiar with that page?
>>
>>
>> Good luck and regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:34:21
>> *Subject:* Re: updating wiki
>>
>> Zach thign is the wiki's need an overhaul in general imho as they have how
>> to's for release which have been EOL'ed ages ago.
>>
>> also for instance there is no mention on the dovecot wiki that encrypted
>> home directories shouldnt be used. i have spent the last month trying to
>> figure out why im having email issues :(.
>>
>> Would it be possible to develop some sort of game plan to update all
>> wiki's and how to's so they are up to date with more recent supported
>> releases?
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Depends upon the importance of the page and who edited it  but sometimes
>>> pages can be lost. I myself along with Phillw are part of the Ubuntu Doc
>>> team and Ubuntu Doc/Wiki Admins team so we have a bit more of a
>>> responsibility look over pages...if you're ever in doubt send an email to
>>> the list, join #ubuntu-doc on irc.freenode.net, or send me or phillw an
>>> email...glad to see your interest in contributing...
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Zach K
>>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who know
>>> how things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and correctness in
>>> the steps in the tutorial?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes < <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com>
>>> rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
>>>> any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
>>>> some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
>>>> correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
>>>> You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages that
>>>> need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to
>>>> date.
>>>>
>>>> [1] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide>
>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
>>>> [2] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag>
>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Connor
>>>>
>>>> On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>>> > I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
>>>> > have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
>>>> > reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
>>>> > getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>
>>> --
>>> ubuntu-doc mailing list
>>> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
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From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:36:04 +0100
Subject: Fwd: updating wiki
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hey guys the wiki is updated for dovecot. feel free to take a look and
improve what i said.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
<eagles051387 at gmail.com>wrote:

> thanks tome will update you guys once the update is complete.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Good, good.
>>
>> It is sometimes ok to break out of a mailing list for a few mails and then
>> give the list an update later = so that was all fine, don't worry.
>>
>> Check typos and spellings in Documentation you edit.  Saying "ahve" in a
>> mail is ok, most people convert that to "have" without even noticing but in
>> documentation it is more important to try to get sepllings right (or
>> american)
>>
>> I think the main thing is congrats on getting the mail-server working
>> despite documentation leading you astray ;)
>> Congrats and regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
>> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:54:24
>> *Subject:* Fwd: updating wiki
>>
>> forgot to include the doc list here
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: updating wiki
>> To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>
>>
>> i can do it just ahve to add a gigantic warning to not put the Maildir in
>> an encrypted home directory. other then that the wiki is fine considering i
>> have never setup an email server before its been quite a learning
>> experience. but ill try and update the wiki today :)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi :)
>>>
>>> I think it is wise for pages to state which release they are written for,
>>> especially if there is 'some' coding on the page.  However i usually find
>>> that only sundry petty changes need to be made, for example a coding line
>>> that includes the word "dapper" might need to be edited to read "lucid"
>>> because Lucid Lynx, the 10.04, is the latest LTS release.
>>>
>>> Yes it would be 'nice' if someone with recent experience using those
>>> pages were able to go through and make the tiny changes and then check that
>>> the advice still works.
>>>
>>> Obviously the dovecot wiki 'urgently' needs that update because more
>>> people appear to be using encrypted partitions now = or is it still only
>>> recent Windows converts that bother?  Is there any chance of you doing the
>>> edit there Jonathon, since you know the change that is needed but other
>>> people might not be so familiar with that page?
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck and regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:34:21
>>> *Subject:* Re: updating wiki
>>>
>>> Zach thign is the wiki's need an overhaul in general imho as they have
>>> how to's for release which have been EOL'ed ages ago.
>>>
>>> also for instance there is no mention on the dovecot wiki that encrypted
>>> home directories shouldnt be used. i have spent the last month trying to
>>> figure out why im having email issues :(.
>>>
>>> Would it be possible to develop some sort of game plan to update all
>>> wiki's and how to's so they are up to date with more recent supported
>>> releases?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Depends upon the importance of the page and who edited it  but sometimes
>>>> pages can be lost. I myself along with Phillw are part of the Ubuntu Doc
>>>> team and Ubuntu Doc/Wiki Admins team so we have a bit more of a
>>>> responsibility look over pages...if you're ever in doubt send an email to
>>>> the list, join #ubuntu-doc on irc.freenode.net, or send me or phillw an
>>>> email...glad to see your interest in contributing...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Zach K
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who
>>>> know how things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and
>>>> correctness in the steps in the tutorial?
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes < <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com>
>>>> rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
>>>>> any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
>>>>> some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
>>>>> correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
>>>>> You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages
>>>>> that
>>>>> need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to
>>>>> date.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide>
>>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
>>>>> [2] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag>
>>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Connor
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>>>> > I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
>>>>> > have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
>>>>> > reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
>>>>> > getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ubuntu-doc mailing list
>>>> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>
>>
>
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From tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Nov 21 11:59:14 2010
From: tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Davies)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 11:59:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Fwd: updating wiki
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Hi, 

Ok, the amended page is 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot
and the newly created one is
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot/6.06

Subscript appeared to have been used for emphasis so i switched those to bold, 
and tidied spacing, made inline coding brackets into proper ones, cut the 
confusing paragraphs about 6.06 (and pasted them into the new page) and moved 
Johnathon Aquilina's paragraph into the introduction but otherwise left it 
unchanged.
Regards from
Tom :)




________________________________
From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
Sent: Sun, 21 November, 2010 10:34:28
Subject: Re: Fwd: updating wiki

i honestly think that the older release should have pages for their own release. 
so as to avoid confusion imho.


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi :)
>
>They are not mistakes, just differences of opinion = so feel free to change 
>things back if you prefer it your first way.  
>
>
>I have a little more confidence because i have done a few pages now but that 
>doesn't make me an expert.  If anything, you are the expert on this page because 
>you have done the task and i haven't = so your opinions are more important than 
>mine.
>
>At the bottom fo the page it mentions which releases the guide has been tested 
>on so you could add whichever release you are using.  Most guides don't have a 
>note like that.
>
>The 6.06 release is still supported for 1 more year on servers but it creates 
>confusion in the page so i was thinking about moving the 6.06 stuff off to a 
>sub-page?  I might try it and see what you think?
>
>
>Good luck  and regards from
>Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
>Sent: Sun, 21 November, 2010 10:12:46
>
>Subject: Re: Fwd: updating wiki
>
>
>thanks tom im new to working with wikis so forgive me for formatting mistakes.
>
>
>On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Hi
>>
>>For some quirky reason every email you send is sent twice.  I vaguely remember 
>>something about that being a settings/config problem but i cannot remember how 
>>to solve it.
>>
>>Usually when people ask for a page to be checked they include the url for it so 
>>people can just click on the link, such as
>>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot?action=diff&rev2=43&rev1=38
>>
>>It seemed worth moving the warning to the intro to make it more prominent.  I 
>>also moved it out of coding brackets because a lot of people automatically 
>>ignore the contents of coding brackets unless they want to copy&paste it into 
>>the command-line.
>>
>>
>>Good luck and regards from
>>Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
________________________________
 From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>Cc: ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
>>Sent: Sun, 21 November, 2010 9:36:04
>>Subject: Re: Fwd: updating wiki
>>
>>
>>hey guys the wiki is updated for dovecot. feel free to take a look and improve 
>>what i said.
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com> 
>>wrote:
>>
>>thanks tome will update you guys once the update is complete.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>Good, good.
>>>>
>>>>It is sometimes ok to break out of a mailing list for a few mails and then give 
>>>>the list an update later = so that was all fine, don't worry.
>>>>
>>>>Check typos and spellings in Documentation you edit.  Saying "ahve" in a mail is 
>>>>ok, most people convert that to "have" without even noticing but in 
>>>>documentation it is more important to try to get sepllings right (or american)
>>>>
>>>>I think the main thing is congrats on getting the mail-server working despite 
>>>>documentation leading you astray ;)
>>>>Congrats and regards from
>>>>Tom :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
________________________________
From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>>>To: Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>Sent: Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:54:24
>>>>Subject: Fwd: updating wiki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>forgot to include the doc list here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>>>Date: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:53 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: updating wiki
>>>>To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>i can do it just ahve to add a gigantic warning to not put the Maildir in an 
>>>>encrypted home directory. other then that the wiki is fine considering i have 
>>>>never setup an email server before its been quite a learning experience. but ill 
>>>>try and update the wiki today :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi :)
>>>>>
>>>>>I think it is wise for pages to state which release they are written for, 
>>>>>especially if there is 'some' coding on the page.  However i usually find that 
>>>>>only sundry petty changes need to be made, for example a coding line that 
>>>>>includes the word "dapper" might need to be edited to read "lucid" because Lucid 
>>>>>Lynx, the 10.04, is the latest LTS release.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes it would be 'nice' if someone with recent experience using those pages were 
>>>>>able to go through and make the tiny changes and then check that the advice 
>>>>>still works.
>>>>>
>>>>>Obviously the dovecot wiki 'urgently' needs that  update because more people 
>>>>>appear to be using encrypted partitions now = or is it still only recent Windows 
>>>>>converts that bother?  Is there any chance of you doing the edit there Jonathon, 
>>>>>since you know  the change that is needed but other people might not be so 
>>>>>familiar with that page?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Good luck and regards from
>>>>>Tom :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
________________________________
From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>>>>To: Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>
>>>>>Cc: Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>Sent: Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:34:21
>>>>>Subject: Re: updating wiki
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Zach thign is the wiki's need an overhaul in general imho as they have how to's 
>>>>>for release which have been EOL'ed ages ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>also  for instance there is no mention on the dovecot wiki that encrypted home 
>>>>>directories shouldnt be used. i have spent the last month trying to figure out 
>>>>>why im having email issues :(.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Would it be possible to develop some sort of game plan to update all wiki's and 
>>>>>how to's so they are up to date with more recent supported releases?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com> 
>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Depends upon the importance of the page and who edited it  but sometimes pages 
>>>>>can be lost. I myself along with Phillw are part of the Ubuntu Doc team and 
>>>>>Ubuntu Doc/Wiki Admins team so we have a bit more of a responsibility look over 
>>>>>pages...if you're ever in doubt send an email to the list, join #ubuntu-doc on 
>>>>>irc.freenode.net, or send me or phillw an email...glad to see your interest in 
>>>>>contributing...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers!
>>>>>>Zach K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com> 
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who know how 
>>>>>>things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and correctness in the 
>>>>>>steps in the tutorial?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes <rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> 
>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Jonathan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to follow
>>>>>>>>any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
>>>>>>>>some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the wiki
>>>>>>>>correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit pages.
>>>>>>>>You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages that
>>>>>>>>need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up to 
>>>date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
>>>>>>>>[2] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>-Connor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
>>>>>>>>> have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which have
>>>>>>>>> reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them, and
>>>>>>>>> getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-- 
>>>>>>>Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>-- 
>>>>>>ubuntu-doc mailing list
>>>>>>ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-- 
>>>>>Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>>Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>>Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Jonathan Aquilina
>>>
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From eagles051387 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 12:33:54 2010
From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:33:54 +0100
Subject: Fwd: updating wiki
In-Reply-To: <479126.65167.qm@web24107.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
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much appreciated tom.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Ok, the amended page is
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot
> and the newly created one is
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot/6.06
>
> Subscript appeared to have been used for emphasis so i switched those to
> bold, and tidied spacing, made inline coding brackets into proper ones, cut
> the confusing paragraphs about 6.06 (and pasted them into the new page) and
> moved Johnathon Aquilina's paragraph into the introduction but otherwise
> left it unchanged.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
> *To:* Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 10:34:28
>
> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: updating wiki
>
> i honestly think that the older release should have pages for their own
> release. so as to avoid confusion imho.
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>>
>> They are not mistakes, just differences of opinion = so feel free to
>> change things back if you prefer it your first way.
>>
>> I have a little more confidence because i have done a few pages now but
>> that doesn't make me an expert.  If anything, you are the expert on this
>> page because you have done the task and i haven't = so your opinions are
>> more important than mine.
>>
>> At the bottom fo the page it mentions which releases the guide has been
>> tested on so you could add whichever release you are using.  Most guides
>> don't have a note like that.
>>
>> The 6.06 release is still supported for 1 more year on servers but it
>> creates confusion in the page so i was thinking about moving the 6.06 stuff
>> off to a sub-page?  I might try it and see what you think?
>>
>>
>> Good luck and regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>> *To:* Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 10:12:46
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: updating wiki
>>
>> thanks tom im new to working with wikis so forgive me for formatting
>> mistakes.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> For some quirky reason every email you send is sent twice.  I vaguely
>>> remember something about that being a settings/config problem but i cannot
>>> remember how to solve it.
>>>
>>> Usually when people ask for a page to be checked they include the url for
>>> it so people can just click on the link, such as
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Dovecot?action=diff&rev2=43&rev1=38
>>>
>>> It seemed worth moving the warning to the intro to make it more
>>> prominent.  I also moved it out of coding brackets because a lot of people
>>> automatically ignore the contents of coding brackets unless they want to
>>> copy&paste it into the command-line.
>>>
>>>
>>> Good luck and regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>> *To:* Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>> *Cc:* ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
>>> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 9:36:04
>>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: updating wiki
>>>
>>> hey guys the wiki is updated for dovecot. feel free to take a look and
>>> improve what i said.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <
>>> eagles051387 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> thanks tome will update you guys once the update is complete.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good, good.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is sometimes ok to break out of a mailing list for a few mails and
>>>>> then give the list an update later = so that was all fine, don't worry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check typos and spellings in Documentation you edit.  Saying "ahve" in
>>>>> a mail is ok, most people convert that to "have" without even noticing but
>>>>> in documentation it is more important to try to get sepllings right (or
>>>>> american)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the main thing is congrats on getting the mail-server working
>>>>> despite documentation leading you astray ;)
>>>>> Congrats and regards from
>>>>> Tom :)
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>>>> *To:* Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:54:24
>>>>> *Subject:* Fwd: updating wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> forgot to include the doc list here
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:53 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: updating wiki
>>>>> To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i can do it just ahve to add a gigantic warning to not put the Maildir
>>>>> in an encrypted home directory. other then that the wiki is fine considering
>>>>> i have never setup an email server before its been quite a learning
>>>>> experience. but ill try and update the wiki today :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Tom Davies <tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is wise for pages to state which release they are written
>>>>>> for, especially if there is 'some' coding on the page.  However i usually
>>>>>> find that only sundry petty changes need to be made, for example a coding
>>>>>> line that includes the word "dapper" might need to be edited to read "lucid"
>>>>>> because Lucid Lynx, the 10.04, is the latest LTS release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it would be 'nice' if someone with recent experience using those
>>>>>> pages were able to go through and make the tiny changes and then check that
>>>>>> the advice still works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously the dovecot wiki 'urgently' needs that update because more
>>>>>> people appear to be using encrypted partitions now = or is it still only
>>>>>> recent Windows converts that bother?  Is there any chance of you doing the
>>>>>> edit there Jonathon, since you know the change that is needed but other
>>>>>> people might not be so familiar with that page?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck and regards from
>>>>>> Tom :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051387 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *To:* Zach Kriesse <zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Cc:* Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Sun, 21 November, 2010 8:34:21
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: updating wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Zach thign is the wiki's need an overhaul in general imho as they have
>>>>>> how to's for release which have been EOL'ed ages ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> also for instance there is no mention on the dovecot wiki that
>>>>>> encrypted home directories shouldnt be used. i have spent the last month
>>>>>> trying to figure out why im having email issues :(.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would it be possible to develop some sort of game plan to update all
>>>>>> wiki's and how to's so they are up to date with more recent supported
>>>>>> releases?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Zach Kriesse <
>>>>>> zach.kleinhenz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends upon the importance of the page and who edited it  but
>>>>>>> sometimes pages can be lost. I myself along with Phillw are part of the
>>>>>>> Ubuntu Doc team and Ubuntu Doc/Wiki Admins team so we have a bit more of a
>>>>>>> responsibility look over pages...if you're ever in doubt send an email to
>>>>>>> the list, join #ubuntu-doc on irc.freenode.net, or send me or phillw
>>>>>>> an email...glad to see your interest in contributing...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>> Zach K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <
>>>>>>> eagles051387 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  thanks for the information. are the wiki pages check by people who
>>>>>>> know how things are setup etc to verify some sort of validity and
>>>>>>> correctness in the steps in the tutorial?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Connor Imes <<rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> rocket2dmn at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  You don't need to
>>>>>>>> follow
>>>>>>>> any particular process to go about editing the wiki other than using
>>>>>>>> some best practice.  See the WikiGuide [1] for help with using the
>>>>>>>> wiki
>>>>>>>> correctly.  You will need a Launchpad account in order to edit
>>>>>>>> pages.
>>>>>>>> You are free to edit pages yourself, and you can also Tag [2] pages
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> need work to alert others that the page in question is not fully up
>>>>>>>> to date.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide>
>>>>>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide
>>>>>>>> [2] <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag>
>>>>>>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Connor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2010 02:48 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>>>>>>>> > I use alot the wiki for various thing i have never setup before. I
>>>>>>>> > have noticed that alot of them are for really old releases which
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> > reached their EOL. what needs to get done to start updating them,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> > getting them upto date with the latest supported releases.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>> > Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ubuntu-doc mailing list
>>>>>>> ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>
>>
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From joe.maverick.sett at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 14:09:09 2010
From: joe.maverick.sett at gmail.com (Ye Myat Kaung)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:09:09 +0800
Subject: Patch for Bug #626382
In-Reply-To: <4CE7F75B.6040904@ubuntu.com>
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Hello Connor Imes,

I've now got the right project/branch and already working on it.
And I've come to know the use of 
> <ulink type='help' url='ghelp:eog'> 
to link to the corresponding help file. But the problem I'm facing is
those help files for shotwell comes in *.page extensions while most,
I've seen comes in *xml which are quite easy to link for example; 
> <ulink type='help' url='ghelp:eog#eog-fullscreen'>. 
But for shotwell, I couldn't do that as it comes in *.page files, only
> <ulink type='help' url='ghelp:shotwell'> 
works; showing the main help file and cannot #link to other section of
the help files. So, could you shed some light on how to do it?

As this is my first time working with DocBook, I may have missed a
point on how to get around that problem.

-- 
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(a.k.a JoeMaverickSett on irc.freenode.net)
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From eagles051387 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 09:52:05 2010
From: eagles051387 at gmail.com (Jonathan Aquilina)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 09:52:05 +0000
Subject: moving older supported release to separate wikis
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=LdakBoH9seWwQru-nRcZ_G_4J8O6yo+qnGnF3@mail.gmail.com>

hey guys what do you think about moving older supported releases from the
main wiki pages that way there isnt confusion in regards to guides for the
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From wesley at schwengle.net  Mon Nov 22 10:19:23 2010
From: wesley at schwengle.net (Wesley Schwengle)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:19:23 +0100
Subject: moving older supported release to separate wikis
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On 11/22/2010 10:52 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
> hey guys what do you think about moving older supported releases from
> the main wiki pages that way there isnt confusion in regards to guides
> for the latest release?

I don't think that is a good solution. I would take a different approach:

SomeTopic - generic info about the tool, etc etc
SomeTopic/Hardy - specific info to Hardy
SomeTopic/Karmic - specific info to Karmic

Good thing is, only need to tag a particular page as EOL (when the
distro reaches it).

I took this approach for EOLUpgrades and it works for me.

Cheers,
Wesley

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From tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Nov 22 11:13:00 2010
From: tomdavies04 at yahoo.co.uk (Tom Davies)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:13:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: moving older supported release to separate wikis
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No, sorry

-1

Usually there is not much of a problem.  Generally program names and variable 
names and pathnames all tend to remain the same so usually a guide written for 
an out-dated release remains valid.  It might be good if someone working through 
a guide successfully could add a note to say it worked on their release.  


Obviously the page we worked on yday was an exception to that and it's 
flattering to hear you liked the way i handled it.  I hope to use a similar 
method for the LiveCD and DualBoot pages to bring the expertise & experience 
from a variety of pages into a single set of pages that are not as scary as the 
WindowsDualBoot page.  It's good to hear feedback from another person about 
these projects.

Many thanks and regards from
Tom :)




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To: Ubuntu Doc <ubuntu-doc at lists.ubuntu.com>
Sent: Mon, 22 November, 2010 9:52:05
Subject: moving older supported release to separate wikis

hey guys what do you think about moving older supported releases from the main 
wiki pages that way there isnt confusion in regards to guides for the latest 
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