Online Meeting

Fri Jul 1 17:19:53 UTC 2011

*sorry the *bank* was bankrupted...

-- Amahdy AbdElAziz
http://www.amahdy.net

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:18, Amahdy AbdElAziz <amahdy7 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Try at your own risk, there is no single guarantee that they will remain
> "secret".
> Sometimes we prefer sacrificing with something to get benefit and advantage
> of something else, rule for the life not the "e-" section only :)
>
> - What if someone successfully hacked an internet banking server?
> - What if someone successfully rubbed the central bank that holds your
> money and the money was bankrupted?
>
> See, it's a life-related rule, has nothing to do with Closed/Open companies
> ;-)
>
> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
> http://www.amahdy.net
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:09, Processing Qbits <processingqbits at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Ah, unfortunately, my good fellow, your view of the electronic world seems
>> very constricted.
>>
>> "You shouldn't do something secret over the web"....
>> So you're against e-businesses including all forms of online transactions
>> and ebanking, you're against confidential emails? Aren't all these forms of
>> secrets to be kept hidden?
>>
>> I'm sorry, but this is not a strong argument for you at all, it's true
>> that if one wants to keep a secret online, it might be very hard and at
>> times close to impossible, but to not even try?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Amahdy AbdElAziz <amahdy7 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I have many examples on why you shouldn't do something secret* over the
>>> web*, even if you are using Open Source software built by you! Here is
>>> some of them:
>>>
>>> 1) You are sending and email to a close friend with sensitive information
>>> along with general information, he accidentally publicly share the email.
>>> [[For example you send some love words to your fiancée and a picture of a
>>> flower, she liked that flower that she shared the email over Facebook,, so
>>> embarrassing]]
>>>
>>> 2) You send an email to seomone "A" and BCC someone else "B", "B" replies
>>> to all...
>>>
>>> 3) You are sending sensitive information over chat, and due to some bug,
>>> the information is sent to someone else!
>>>
>>> 4) You are storing your secrets on your own server and it got hacked!!
>>>
>>> 5) You decided to encrypt your own secret data and store them on the
>>> server, someone was able to predict your password after hacking your server
>>> (happens)...
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>> http://www.amahdy.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 18:46, Amahdy AbdElAziz <amahdy7 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay so are you afraid from having someone tracking you or keeping a log
>>>> of what you are doing? why should you be afraid from that, are you doing
>>>> something wrong? if you don't want someone know what you are doing then IMHO
>>>> you shouldn't be doing it from the beginning, specially, over the web!
>>>>
>>>> If you want to use a Canonical-hosted mail server instead of
>>>> Google-hosted one, so how can you guarantee that Canonical won't one day
>>>> keep log of your emails, not all of us can buy and configure his own mail
>>>> server, and if it's not a physical server at your home (e.g. you have your
>>>> own server managed by some hosting company) then you can't guarantee that
>>>> this hosting company is not spying on you.
>>>>
>>>> So again if you are doing something wrong then stop doing it, I don't
>>>> mean any of you is doing something wrong, but I'm just explaining my
>>>> point...
>>>>
>>>> We all need all the time someone to manage some parts of our life, we
>>>> can't do everything all the time, so we need to relay on someone to do that
>>>> for us, for example I can't pen trace all the Ubuntu code to make sure that
>>>> there isn't a back door somewhere, so I have to relay on some others who did
>>>> so (who knows maybe they are paid to stay calm?? ,, I don't care, simply
>>>> because all what I'm doing on my laptop is open to everybody, I have no
>>>> problem on that).
>>>>
>>>> I like Google -for now- because they believe in the Open Source, they
>>>> started many many many Open Source projects along with their patches for
>>>> Open Source projects like the Linux Kernel, the Ubuntu project itself, and
>>>> many other small and big projects (Eclipse, Apache, Mozilla, KDE, Gnome,
>>>> Drupal, and many much more) [[Yes they are still submitting patches for
>>>> Firefox too!]]
>>>>
>>>> I also like the data liberation concept that Google has, the data
>>>> ownership to the user, but I also agree at the end of the day that we should
>>>> be cautious, if we don't like something then we can simply raise our hands
>>>> and let them know and it's proven that they respond (so far).
>>>>
>>>> Personly, I completely understand that any company needs "Money" to
>>>> survive and continue innovation, so I don't mind that Google collect some
>>>> bucks from here and there so that they can deliver the quality that I want.
>>>> They actually helped me a lot with this new product G+, so that I'm finally
>>>> able to have a e-social life.
>>>> BTW, this applied also for SUN, and currently apply also for IBM,
>>>> RedHat, FixedSolutions, and many similar Companies that believe and
>>>> encourage the OpenSource and need to collect some bucks at the same time!
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the long email, but I'd like also to mention one small
>>>> experience:
>>>>
>>>> - I like the fact that when I post something "Public" at G+, everybody
>>>> that uses Internet can see it, event if he doesn't have a Gmail account. But
>>>> something like Facebook won't show more than my profile picture, some of my
>>>> interests, and a box asking to Sign Up first! (Hey, it's my data that I want
>>>> to share with everybody, not yours to block it from people!!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>>> http://www.amahdy.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 16:04, Haitham El-Ghareeb <helghareeb at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Checking, Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:51 PM, Processing Qbits <
>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a lot that we can do....Don't keep all your eggs in one
>>>>> basket...And there is no need to actually put all the eggs in baskets, some
>>>>> eggs are better kept in the nest
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> and there is nothing we can do, right? I wish I can stay away from
>>>>>> facebook, Google +, or twitter but I can't. All my friends, students, and
>>>>>> social life is there now. Just feeling so confused about that. Wanted to
>>>>>> share it here :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:39 PM, "Jonathan N. Hindi" <<jonathan.hindi at gmail.com>
>>>>>> jonathan.hindi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +Islam Hassan, You are very right :)
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>>> *Jonathan N. Hindi
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/7/1 Islam Hassan < <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  You forgot to mention the most two scary things about Google:
>>>>>>> First, Google Chrome OS depends completely on the cloud, that means every
>>>>>>> thing related to you is on Google servers. Second Google Android @ home &
>>>>>>> Google Android Open Accessory, Google will control every thing in your
>>>>>>> house. After watching Google IO day one keynote, what I had in mind was
>>>>>>> Umbrella from resident evil and USR's VIKI from I,Robot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>>>>>> From: <helghareeb at gmail.com> <helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 16:29:11 +0300
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Ahmed Toulan +1
>>>>>>> Yes this is what I meant, and sorry for the late reply. We are
>>>>>>> gathering to show the evilness of one vendor, that is Microsoft, and there
>>>>>>> is another one 'Google' is trying hardly to catch everywhere it can, OS,
>>>>>>> Mail, Social Media, Web browser, everywhere. That can't be right !!! It's
>>>>>>> like I'm surrounded with Google everywhere, till now no one has anything
>>>>>>> against Google, just I'm so worried that we are being caught.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 05:10 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's why I believe more in Diaspora
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Ahmed Kamal <<email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com><email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>> email.ahmedkamal at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> um but "Google lets you save a backup of your photos, profile
>>>>>>> information, contacts, circles, stream posts, and Buzz posts to your
>>>>>>> computer" on  <https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata><https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata>
>>>>>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/settings/exportdata doesn't sound too
>>>>>>> bad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Ahmed Toulan <<thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> thelinuxer at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I think what he meant was that we are doing a different kind of
>>>>>>> vendor locking badro. Like you were locked to the windows platform one day,
>>>>>>> today you'll be locked inside the Google platform. And this is a real
>>>>>>> serious issue if you ask me, a real valid concern...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't get that, would you be so kind as to elaborate more?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Haitham El-Ghareeb <<helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com><helghareeb at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> helghareeb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets hope not, I'm completely disappointed with this product, not
>>>>>>> from features side, but from the Open Web side, it's really getting serious
>>>>>>> that we are moving from a single Microsoft, to plenty of it!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Jul 2011, at 03:13 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Google is putting up a strong fight against facebook...Diaspora and
>>>>>>> Google+
>>>>>>> I actually have more faith in Diaspora, although it seems that
>>>>>>> Google+ will be ready before it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2011/7/1 Islam Hassan < <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com><eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Right now many of us don't have access to google+, but it's gonna be
>>>>>>> awesome to use it when it goes public.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:44:06 +0300
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>>>>>> From: <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com> <thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com><thelinuxer at ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> thelinuxer at ubuntu.com
>>>>>>> To: <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com> <ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com><ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>> ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally I think we might use it in the future
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Processing Qbits <<processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com><processingqbits at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> processingqbits at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have access to Google+ too...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Mohamed El-Feky <<elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com><elfeky.m at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> elfeky.m at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 for me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Jonathan N. Hindi <<jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com><jonathan.hindi at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> jonathan.hindi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think that all the team have access to Google+ ?
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>>>> *Jonathan N. Hindi
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Karim Ahmed <<just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com><just.azzurri at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> just.azzurri at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's a good idea if we organize Online Meeting at Google+ via
>>>>>>> Hangouts :)
>>>>>>> so what's your opinions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Karim Ahmed,*
>>>>>>> *Google **student ambassador *
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