Online Meeting

Mon Jul 4 01:30:16 UTC 2011

In fact, and you know that, Android and Simbian are OpenSource, and you can
have full control on your small computer (the smart phone) if you are using
any of those OS's. But following the "mo2mra" theory, one of the phone
manufactures decided to put an extra tracking/spying piece of code (or
hardware), you can never tell, and you have to relay on the QC (FCC, FDA,
...etc).

The men responsible of pen tracing the Linux code, may get paid (following
the mo2mra theory also), to let a piece of spying code be installed on all
of our machines. (Anybody can pen trace, but nobody does ... and nobody is
able to do that for the ISO that you download from Ubuntu or Fedora for
example, it's already compiled and closed ,,, only few who get a kernel
source, compile it, and compile on top of it all what they need, but they
can never read all the source code of everything to make sure that there
isn't a spy code somewhere). Did you read
this<http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2>before?
OpenBSD contained a backdoor "in the opensource implementation of
IPSec" for TEN years.

I'll remind you what I said before, Google's power is ok for me as far as
it's not the only power and there is good potential and competitive
alternatives.

So let's imagine this situation, (who knows may it will happen one day =)),
you are the CEO of Google and you want to please your concepts, so what
would you change in Google's strategies? putting in mind that you have the
responsibility of:
(1) Getting a good revenue for the company to survive.
(2) Getting a good impact from the company to grow (not disappear like
MySpace for example).

-- Amahdy AbdElAziz
http://www.amahdy.net

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 05:29, Processing Qbits <processingqbits at gmail.com>wrote:

> I believe businessmen usually do have more than one cellphone (though they
> have it for a different reason and that reason is probably fading with
> cellphones having the capability to use more than one chip) but then again,
> a cellphone is more like a computer
> Why do I choose Linux over Windows? It gives me more control over my
> computer....anything that goes wrong, anything that I wish to change...I am
> able to
> So if I have similar control over my cellphone, I believe it would be like
> my computer...
>
> As much as I respect google, I fear that it is gaining too much power, but
> I guess I have to respect other people's opinions too...while your approach
> is "if you don't want your secret to be out there, don't put it there"....my
> approach would be "if you don't want one company to hold all your secrets,
> give a piece to each so that none has it all"
>
> Your approach: Security by Obscurity
> My approach is similar to anonymous emails through 2 or more
> remailers....the first will have your real email but your encrypted
> message....the last will have your real message and the person it is being
> sent to but not your own email
>
> So I'll just agree to disagree!
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 3:25 AM, Amahdy AbdElAziz <amahdy7 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> +Islam: Yes I see your point, I mean the mobile that you mentioned,
>> usually contains very sensitive data maybe more than the whole web (it
>> contains phone numbers of family, friends, SMS, ..etc) and the more advanced
>> is the phone, the more information it has, (like emails, businesses,
>> calendar, memo, ... NFC? ... location, pictures, ...etc)
>> Ok so Google is a bad company, I'm not going to use Android, I'm going to
>> use what? Simbian? Windows7? iOS? RIM? ...etc? it's all the same, the
>> individual IMO has to choose a company and relay on it (give it some trust)
>> [[of course to some extend, I'm saying being cautious from the beginning]].
>> IMO also, I won't get Android for family usage, iOS for business, Simbian
>> for friends ...etc, no I'll choose one only company at my own risk... or
>> else everybody should not use technology because it's risky.
>>
>> One more interesting example of what Google does, is the monthly email
>> they send to me about "Your Latitude Service is ON, be careful!" it's like
>> asking "So,, are you going to turn off the latitude account?" my answer is
>> always NO keep it ON, I'll never go near "El Haram Street" so I'm ok with
>> that =))
>>
>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>> http://www.amahdy.net
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/7/2 Islam Hassan <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>
>>>  @Amahdy: I'm not saying that they're doing that or they're gonna do
>>> that, I'm just, as I said, imagining what they can do with it and no one can
>>> say they can't. In my opinion, why should any one take the risk, as
>>> developers or engineers, we always consider the worst case.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: amahdy7 at gmail.com
>>> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 05:57:52 +0300
>>> Subject: Re: Online Meeting
>>> To: ubuntu-eg at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>
>>> +Islam: I believe NOT in the "mo2amra" theory :D, if I'm one of America's
>>> enemy then my e-life doesn't add for them anything. Yes Google may decide to
>>> spy on me, but who may not? I don't have the capability to fabricate my own
>>> cell phone yet so I have to relay on some companies to do that for me ...
>>> :))
>>>
>>> One of the interesting things made by G+ (yes -so far- they listen and
>>> they care up to a very high limit):
>>> *
>>> *
>>>
>>> *If you're sharing a post with a small circle of people, you can prevent
>>> resharing. Click the arrow at the top-right of the post and choose "Disable
>>> reshare."*
>>>
>>>
>>> Will solve the "Send something private to someone, and he FWD's it".
>>> This is not an ultimate solution BTW, he still can copy the content and
>>> post it again...
>>>
>>> -- Amahdy AbdElAziz
>>> http://www.amahdy.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/7/2 Islam Hassan <eng.islam_hassan at hotmail.com>
>>>
>>>  @Amahdy:
>>> * You say you don't mind if any body else knows what you're doing,  that
>>> doesn't mean every on feels the same.
>>> * Google CAN know what's going on in your house and between you and your
>>> friends. How? Google Android @ Home and Google open accessories CAN CONTROL
>>> what happens in your home.
>>> * Imagine that google or the american government for example has an
>>> enemy. they can track his location and even kill him and make it look like
>>> an accident. and by enemy I mean any one who'd be a pain in the throat like
>>> some activist or something like that ( I'm just going as far as I can
>>> imagine). let's say the american government decide to keep track of all
>>> arabs or muslims inside the US for security purposes or something. they can
>>> listen to what you do by activating the microphone in your android phone or
>>> any thing like that. use your imagination, as I said, when I watched google
>>> IO day 1 key note, suddenly, I robot's VIKI jumped into my mind.
>>>
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