Feedback Time
Keith Grider
keith.grider at gmail.com
Fri Jun 26 16:15:26 UTC 2015
I agree, but please tell me what the name is... If that is in the 'help ->
about' graphic, that is fine, but please tell me what it is.
keith
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Alfredo Hernández <
aldomann.designs at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Julien. Our purpose is to give a pure GNOME experience. The
> average user doesn't care if they are using Totem or VLC, they want a Video
> Player and they will most probably have only one video player installed.
>
> On 26 June 2015 at 17:33, Julien Olivier <julo42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the
>> GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps only (and
>> thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are still
>> displayed using their real name.
>>
>> I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed
>> their strategy since the last time I checked...
>>
>>
>> Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit :
>>
>> I believe there is a middle point for this:
>>
>> "Gedit text editor"
>> "Nautilus file manager"
>> "Firefox web browser"
>> etc.
>>
>> If someone names simply "Web browser" to Epiphany, how is named
>> Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an
>> applications menu:
>> Web browser <- This is Firefox (you must know)
>> Web browser <- This is Mirori (you must know)
>> Web browser <- This is Icecat (you must know)
>> ...no sense.
>>
>> It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a
>> bad names strategy:
>> Sylpheed <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
>> Evolution <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
>> Geary <- This is an e-mail software (you must know)
>>
>>
>> El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit:> Hi Bart, list,> > the thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean*> something. An experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a> web browser or that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will> have no clue about it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to> what the purpose of the app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't.> > I think the recent trend among GNOME developers is that the app name is> more like an internal code, not aimed at being used in the user experience.> > Maybe a good way to fix your problem would be to have a "Launch in> terminal" entry in the app's dash icon, next to "New Window" and "Add to> favourites", possibly as a GNOME Shell extension ?> > Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a écrit :>> Quoting Narcis Garcia <informatica at actiu.net <mailto:informatica at actiu.net <informatica at actiu.net>>>:>>>> > I agree with Keith Grider in a subject: "please name all programs in the>> > UI the same as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you>> > need to grep all over the internet to find out what the program name is>> > to be able to launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring">> >>> > This problem is worse with localized UI.>>>> Yes. It makes no sense to name something "File Manager" instead of >> "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name you can love and a brand name. >> Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle next to the real name in the >> menu to describe it. I don't think "File Manager" (or whatever) makes >> much sense and you cannot love it. Only the most mediocre computer >> users do not know what "file manager" or anything with a name is and >> some of them don't even know what the button "web" is supposed to do >> (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. Those users >> can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a mouse >> and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much >> (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target >> audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does >> not know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never >> use linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at >> best. I feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator.>>>> Personally I think Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got >> rid of those confusing names when there are good names for those >> programs already.>>>> Just my opinion, as well.>>>> Bart.>>>> >>> >>> >>> > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith Grider ha escrit:>> >> Hi,>> >>>> >> I have been running Gnome desktop under Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not>> >> like Unity and did not like the Gnome fallback. Tried Elementary OS for>> >> a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome because they are so slow to>> >> release Freya.>> >>>> >> The new Gnome in 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less>> >> about the cutting edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the>> >> process of upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to>> >> go. There are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple>> >> issues I was having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat>> >> broken in 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan>> >> after suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.)>> >>>> >> Stuff that does not work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO:>> >>>> >> 1. I can no longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a>> >> kernel problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to>> >> be able to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get>> >> it to unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I>> >> put in the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as>> >> I try to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the>> >> computer. It is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used>> >> to work correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after>> >> the first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also>> >> blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able>> >> to be automated, this is a regression.>> >> |>> >> 2. ||The Gnome login screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have>> >> my users set auto suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I>> >> could set that for The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI>> >> somehow. It has been this way for a while and it is a regression, IMO.>> >> 3. The Gnome login screen does not have a suspend option. All I can do>> >> is shut down or reboot from the login screen.>> >> 4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer has a .desktop file for right>> >> clicking and launching *.jar files in Nautilus, it must be created>> >> by hand to run these files.>> >> 5. Please, please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the>> >> cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in>> >> the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the>> >> problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the>> >> program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see>> >> what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific example right>> >> now, but could find one if you need. I think one of them is 'files'.>> >> Just call it 'nautilus'.>> >>>> >> Keep up the good work.>> >>>> >> Keith>> >>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad <amjjawad at gnome.org <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org <amjjawad at gnome.org>>>> >> <mailto:amjjawad at gnome.org <amjjawad at gnome.org>>> wrote:>> >>>> >> Dear everyone,>> >>>> >> Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily Werewolf - 15.04),>> >> I'd like to run this survey before anything else:>> >>>> >> https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/>> >>>> >> It would be very important for me and everyone else to understand>> >> what we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do>> >> in the future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS*>> >> think :)>> >>>> >> I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is bad or>> >> lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is what my>> >> time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like to>> >> apologize in advance for any inconvenience.>> >>>> >> You can *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this>> >> mailing list:>> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs>> >>>> >>>> >> and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :)>> >>>> >>>> >> The survey should *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time.>> >>>> >> *Here is the direct link:*>> >> http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ>> >>>> >> You can only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the>> >> questions carefully ;)>> >>>> >> Thank you so much!>> >>>> >> -->> >> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us.">> >>>> >> Best Regards,>> >> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>>> >>>> >> *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME>> >> <http://ubuntugnome.org/>>> >>>> >> -->> >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list>> >> Ubuntu-GNOME at lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME at lists.ubuntu.com <Ubuntu-GNOME at lists.ubuntu.com>> <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME at lists.ubuntu.com <Ubuntu-GNOME at lists.ubuntu.com>>>> >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at:>> >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > -->> > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list>> > Ubuntu-GNOME at lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME at lists.ubuntu.com <Ubuntu-GNOME at lists.ubuntu.com>>>> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>> >>>>>>>>>> > >
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