Ubuntu ops Co-ordination channel

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(Apologies in advance if my line formatting turns out horribly; I'm
wrestling with my computer today.)

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:00:54PM -0500, John Chiazzese wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 15:07 +0200, Jussi Schultink wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > This morning in #ubuntu-ops we had a discussion about saying things
> > which may be responses to baiting, or may actually bait the trolls
> > themselves. Given that we are seeing an increase in trolls making
> > complaints about operators pushing them to the limit by what has been
> > said in #ubuntu-ops, and trolls reading #ubuntu-ops backlog just to
> > see if they get a response to their trolling, I would like to again
> > propose a co-ordination channel for the purpose of these discussions.
> > 
> > This channel would be for all those who are +v'd in #ubuntu-ops, as
> > well as relevent others as decided by the Ubuntu IRC Council. (this
> > would make it possible to have ops from large loco channels and other
> > channels with frequent problems included).
> > It would need to be a CoC compliant channel (as per all Ubuntu IRC
> > Channels) and would be privately logged for IRCC and CC viewing, in
> > the case of dispute or accusation of impropriety. The channel would
> > make it easier for channel operators to be prepared in-case of an
> > attack or channel hopping troll.
> > 
> > I hope all of this makes sense and I would really appreciate your
> > thoughts on this. I am CC'ing the Community Council into this
> > discussion, as it may be helpful to have their input here also.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > 
> > Jussi Schultink 

I agree that we need a channel for frank discussion of current op
issues that is not publicly logged. As has been said in the past by
others, part of the stress of opping is that (excepting PMs) we
constantly have spectators looking for something with which to find
fault. I've been in the same situation in other environments, and it
leads to obsessively checking everything one says to make sure that
problem users can't use anything against one, which needless to say
chills communication.

Given the increasing tendency of problem users to do this, most
recently r00t4rd3d's (ironic) rants every time someone calls him a
troll, I think now would be a good time to establish such a channel.

I'm not sure that special CC and IRCC logging is really necessary,
because 1) I assume that members of both would be in such a channel
anyway, and 2) if I intended to say things against the CoC, I'd do
them in PM or an out-of-namespace channel anyway. But it can't hurt,
so if it makes someone happier about the idea, then sure.

> [...] I would suggest using #ubuntu-irc-helpers 
> 
> IdleOne.

I suggest that doing so would curse it to never be used for anything
other than "so why do we have this channel" and inevitable doom ;P

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