[ubuntu-my] Ubuntu-my Digest, Vol 27, Issue 42
Zulkifli Abdullah
zul.malc at gmail.com
Tue Mar 24 06:06:45 GMT 2009
Salam...
Kita perlu kaji secara mendalam, dan berbincang secara objektif dan
berdiri diatas bumi nyata untuk buat setiap keputusan yang membabitkan
komuniti. Ini bukan tanggungjawab kita terhadap kredibiliti dan
pendapat kita saja tapi juga tanggungjawab terhadap keseluruhan
komuniti. Pertamanya, Apa itu komuniti Ubuntu?
Komuniti Ubuntu ialah setiap orang yang menggunakan ubuntu.
Kerana itu, setiap keputusan kita hari ini akan memberikan efek segera
dan jangka panjang kepada pembangunan komuniti.
Persoalan sekarang, adakah komuniti wajar menjana pendapatannya
sendiri? Ada 2 situasi yang aku rasa perlu difahami. Pertama, adakah
culture di malaysia ni - company (samada besar atau kecil) suka
sponsor aktiviti yang sesuatu komuniti lakukan? Ada ya dan ada tidak.
Jika aktiviti melibatkan konsert, lagha bla-bla, Ya, ramai la company
nak sponsor. Tapi kalau komuniti ubuntu nak buat aktiviti? Mungkin
otai-otai kita ada jawapan sendiri. Kita perlukan kepastian. Ini ialah
cara kita urus satu organisasi dan bukannya pertandingan sabung laga
ayam.
Kedua - Kalau komuniti ada tabung sendiri (kewangan sendiri), aku rasa
tidak ada apa yang akan rugi. Aku rasa NPO pun ada tabung sendiri
sedangkan mereka NPO. Aku sebenarnya xleh fikir macam mana satu
organisasi hanya akan berfikir pasal kewangan HANYA setiap kali ingin
lakukan aktiviti. Punyalah tak organize...Hmm tu dalam fikiran aku.
Jadi apa yang perlu difikirkan;
1)Apa yang baik dan apa yang buruk kalau kita kekalkan komuniti
sebagai badan yang xde tabung kewangan lansung.
2)Apa yang baik dan apa yang buruk kalau kita ubah komuniti kepada
badan yang ada tabung kewangan dan boleh menjana pendapatan.
Dalam fikiran korang mesti dah ada jawapan. Tapi aku rayu supaya bagi
sedikit masa untuk fikirkan lagi keputusan dalam kepala korang tuh.
Macam yang aku cakap, keputusan kita bertanggungjawab keatas semua
ahli komuniti ubuntu malaysia.
Wassalam.
On 3/24/09, ubuntu-my-request at lists.ubuntu.com
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> 1. Something to be considered (zarul shahrin)
> 2. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Nicholas Ng)
> 3. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (Hasan Bakar)
> 4. Re: Which antivirus do you recommend?
> (Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise)
> 5. Re: Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians (ApOgEE)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:25:22 +0800
> From: zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>
> Subject: [ubuntu-my] Something to be considered
> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Hai guys,
>
> I seriously think we should have some kind of guides on what kind of
> activities that bring in money can be considered as non-profit activities (
> for the sake of funding etc) and what sort of activities are not acceptable
> (profit oriented)..
> I think it's the time we clear the confusion and draw a border line since
> many people lately are interested in making money though OSS and seeing
> Ubuntu-my as a jumping stone..
>
>
> Zarul
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> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:49:54 +0800
> From: Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> All,
>
> I seconded with Zarul.
>
> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get
> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that
> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a
> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts.
>
> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of
> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of
> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect
> the community from being turned into business entity.
>
> [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nicholas Ng
>
>
> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>:
>> Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later..
>>
>> I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that provides
>> services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is using
>> the community as a personal "vehicle".
>>
>> 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the term
>>> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that
>>> should
>>> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical itself
>>> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd, poster
>>> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu).
>>>
>>> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person instead
>>> put
>>> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :)
>>>
>>> $0.002
>>>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:07:20 +0800
> From: Hasan Bakar <bizkutrai at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> "This is why we say that free
> software<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html>is a matter of
> freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I seconded with Zarul.
>>
>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get
>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that
>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a
>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts.
>>
>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of
>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of
>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect
>> the community from being turned into business entity.
>>
>> [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Nicholas Ng
>>
>>
>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>:
>> > Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later..
>> >
>> > I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that provides
>> > services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is
>> > using
>> > the community as a personal "vehicle".
>> >
>> > 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the
>> term
>> >> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that
>> should
>> >> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical itself
>> >> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd,
>> poster
>> >> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu).
>> >>
>> >> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person instead
>> put
>> >> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :)
>> >>
>> >> $0.002
>> >>
>>
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> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:14:52 +0800
> From: Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Which antivirus do you recommend?
> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> If you familiar with the things in the pendrive i suspect you could
> differentiate the kind of virus that might be executable. There's is clamav,
> avg, VirusHammer for linux that you can try :)
>
> In linux is the best way you can save your pendrive that has been infected
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 8:32 AM, michaelpo at gmail.com
> <michaelpo at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Antivirus for Linux is necessary to help Windows.
>> Let's say a pendrive is infected with virus, plug into linux, it will
>> not affect linux.
>> Linux can help clean the virus.
>> Then when the pendrive is plug into windows, no more virus to destroy
>> windows.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2008 12:16 AM, Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > There are various antivirus available but the most popular one is
>> > ClamAV, which is also an open source project.
>> >
>> > As many Linux users will ask, why do you need an antivirus for in
>> > Unix/Linux environment? So far there is no "actual" virus attacking in
>> > Linux environment and you will be safe from viruses if you are using
>> > Linux.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Nicholas Ng
>> >
>> > On Jan 3, 2008 9:06 PM, rick <cwyong1 at streamyx.com> wrote:
>> > > Hi.
>> > > I am new to ubuntu and i would like to know which antivirus would you
>> > > recommend.
>> > >
>> > > Thank you
>> > >
>> > >
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> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:14:57 +0800
> From: ApOgEE <jerungkun at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-my] Bringing Ubuntu and open source to Malaysians
> To: Malaysian Team Mailing List <ubuntu-my at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Greetings Community,
>
> For your information,
>
> Last night, we have already discussed regarding this "making money for
> ubuntu-my" on our loco IRC channel #ubuntu-my on irc.freenode.net
>
> And here is the conclusion as what I understand (please correct me if I'm
> wrong):
>
> - Nobody will make money by representing Ubuntu Community and Ubuntu
> Community won't keep any money for any donations. we don't have any Treasury
> Dept or Accountant.
>
> - If in case, Ubuntu Community need some money to work on any community
> events/project, the money should be coming from any sponsors including
> ourselves and the money will be spent over that event/project alone.
>
> - All members have freedom to make money using open source, or providing
> open source service BUT you CANNOT use Ubuntu Community name OR representing
> Ubuntu Community.
>
> - You can use your good name and experience in Ubuntu Community to
> strenghten your Profile or Portfolio.
>
>
> You can read the Meeting Log for details at:
> http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Mesyuarat_IRC_23-03-2009
> Or read the minutes at:
> http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Wiki_Ubuntu_Malaysia:Peristiwa_semasa
>
>
> I hope we are all cleared. Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2009/3/24 Hasan Bakar <bizkutrai at gmail.com>
>
>> "This is why we say that free
>> software<http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html>is a matter of
>> freedom, not price." -- Richard M. Stallman
>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Nicholas Ng <nbliang at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I seconded with Zarul.
>>>
>>> It's not that we against any activity by members that want to get
>>> profit from Ubuntu Linux. What we against are the activities that
>>> related to profit earning to UBUNTU-MY team. As the team is a
>>> COMMUNITY, which mean non-profit and community driven efforts.
>>>
>>> As I mentioned in the IRC last night, the team and all the members of
>>> ubuntu who have signed the CoC, we are abide by [1] Ubuntu Code of
>>> Conducts (CoC). Therefore we have to uphold the Ubuntu CoC and protect
>>> the community from being turned into business entity.
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Nicholas Ng
>>>
>>>
>>> 2009/3/24 zarul shahrin <zarulshahrin at gmail.com>:
>>> > Anyway just a note to avoid confusion later..
>>> >
>>> > I am not against anyone who is trying to set up a company that provides
>>> > services for open source products like Ubuntu. What I am against is
>>> using
>>> > the community as a personal "vehicle".
>>> >
>>> > 2009/3/24 Yusof Khalid - Genius IT Enterprise <fryshadow at gmail.com>
>>> >>
>>> >> Open source is free.. deep into that, the code is free.. I think the
>>> term
>>> >> to make a profit is not suitable, If we provide a service then that
>>> should
>>> >> come into some $$$ instead the software that we used.. Canonical
>>> >> itself
>>> >> selling product same as like BSD community, they sell t-shirt, cd,
>>> poster
>>> >> and etc.. using the brand (BSD, Ubuntu).
>>> >>
>>> >> As a community maybe we should not pay for a particular person instead
>>> put
>>> >> some $$ for activity, that should be nice :)
>>> >>
>>> >> $0.002
>>> >>
>>>
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