LMMS

[Eric Hedekar]

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Kaj Ailomaa <zequence at mousike.me> wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 00:16:34 +0200, Len Ovens <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:
>
>
>> On Sun, October 14, 2012 2:44 pm, ttoine wrote:
>>
>>> Eric,
>>>
>>> But is there a "fully open and free software" that can used instead of
>>> LMMS ?
>>>
>>
>> I think the licensing issues are wine related. The fonts in particular But
>> they are not depends so we may be able to just not install them and still
>> run LMMS. But, the amd64 version of LMMS does not have VST support (or
>> need wine) so we would be supporting two different versions, a full 32 bit
>> and a less full 64bit. Anyone trying to help someone with LMMS who has the
>> 32 bit version would frustrate the 64bit user. (the kxstudio versions have
>> the same problem BTW) I am beginning to understand why LMMS has not been
>> included in the distro...
>>
>>
>
> I haven't heard anyone else but you talk about these issues, so I'm not
> hearing any evidence that this would be the case.
> VST support on Linux, with wine, is somewhat an extra addition, which
> requries it's own knowledgebase. It's not a requirement in any way.
> I don't see why this has to have any weight at all in deciding whether or
> not to add an open source Linux program to the default set of Ubuntu Studio
> applications.
>
> As to the lack of info on Linux+VST in Ubuntu Studio docs, this could be
> ammended by writing some. Or, pointing with links to docs that deals with
> it.
>
>
>
Kaj,
The LMMS package in Ubuntu is built upon the wine libraries in the universe
repository (this is done to allow VST support out of the box without
advanced re-compiling).  In order for the LMMS binary to run in Ubuntu a
wine package needs to be installed.  The wine package recommends fonts that
require the user's manual acceptance for install.  By default the apt-get
program automatically installs all 'recommends' packages.  So there are two
possible routes for us to possibly include LMMS in Ubuntu Studio:
1) Write some install code that prevents apt-get from installing the
recommends for wine (this would give users a poor wine experience on their
machines, but it's possible to get their approval later on to install these
recommends to fix the wine experience but that'd require more script
writing).
2) Recompile the LMMS binary in Ubuntu so that VST support is no longer
working.  This is a flawed logic option IMHO as one of the main things LMMS
claims is to be a fruity-loops substitute.  For new users to Linux, having
the option of either a non-VST version of LMMS pre-installed or a
functioning VST version of LMMS that is manually installed, the later is
probably much more preferable.  Not everyone needs VST but some do, and
deactivating this feature of the program for all Ubuntu users just so the
program can legally be included by default in our distro seems quite silly
and counter productive to our distro's goals.

ttoine,
There's lots of LMMS alternatives from what I know of the program.  Users
can also just install LMMS if they don't like those alternatives.  Having
it installed by default poses too many hurdles for what we gain.

- Eric Hedekar
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