Has somebody a stable Ubuntu Studio NATTY 64-bit?
Ralf Mardorf
ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net
Mon May 30 21:21:27 UTC 2011
On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 16:35 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 14:15 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
> > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> > <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net> wrote:
> > Hi Karl :)
> >
> > today I got a RME card, very, very expensive. I'm
> curious
> > about it. I
> > wonder if it will sound better than all the other
> cards I
> > know, or if I
> > just spend money for nothing. I bought a B-stock
> (customer
> > return), so
> > somebody perhaps wasn't satisfied by this card ;).
> >
> > ACK, but no full ACK regarding to "Linux audio isn't
> that
> > good, as
> > proprietary audio is". MIDI jitter for hw MIDI is an
> issue on
> > all OS,
> > AFAIK only Nuendo should be good and still with
> limitations.
> > There
> > should be no App for Apple or Microsoft systems,
> excepted of
> > Nuendo.
> > Using Jack2 from svn + a2jmidi_bridge on my Maverick
> install
> > had at
> > least for one song, completely no limitation. It was
> hard
> > real-time as
> > good as C64, Atari ST and 80's stand alone
> sequencers, there
> > was no
> > jitter.
> > Regarding to audio it depends to the needs. If I
> should get
> > rid of audio
> > loss, I'm satisfied for home recording. Just for
> professional
> > work
> > Ardour2 IMO isn't stable enough. Sometimes it crash
> and
> > sometimes still
> > is to often, regarding to contract penalty.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Ralf
> >
> >
> > for me, ardour is quite a bit more stable than cubase was
> for me in
> > XP, as well as more capable. i usually find when ardour is
> crashy, its
> > something im doing which is causing the instability. i was
> trying the
> > new irlv2 plugin, and that seemed to cause instability. i
> tried using
> > another packaged version of the irlv2 plug from falktx's
> KXstudio ppa,
> > and ardour (so far) has been stable again. i personally
> enjoy the way
> > JACK lets me push my system, and find the limitations of my
> hardware.
> > i remember doing something similar in cubase where i would
> push the
> > limits of latency and get a less stable system, making
> cubase less
> > stable. i have been in studios where most of the big name
> current
> > popular DAW's have crashed. when you push any system to its
> limits,
> > you can get instability. i find Paul Davis and the ardour
> team to be
> > quite responsive to comments and bug reports. if you are
> experiencing
> > ardour instability not relating to personal configuration
> errors, i
> > urge you to get involved, and report your findings.
> personally, i find
> > if i relax my JACK settings a bit, the system becomes stable
> again.
>
>
> I'm not abreast of the times regarding to the professional
> audio work
> that costs much money. Some years ago computers were only used
> in the
> studio, for live recordings or orchestra sessions stand-alone
> devices
> analog and/or digital were used. I remember one session at the
> Sender
> Berlin, Al Schmitt came from the USA and the equipment was a
> bus from
> France, the only computer was for the Neve's Flying Faders
> (fader
> automation ;) and this computer was invisible ;). The recorder
> was a
> digital Sony tape recorder. I wonder if somebody like Al
> Schmitt would
> use any computer today, so I did a google pic search ...
> there's
> something in the background :D ...
> http://www.grammy.com/files/imagecache/photo_gallery_full_size_image/news/producera_maury_60232914_max.jpg?1296662944
>
> Btw. he's one of the few very likeable professional engineers
> I met,
> most of those VIP engineers are complete assholes.
> I should have thought he won't use a computer, but I guess I
> was
> mistaken.
>
> OTOH, if you take a look at this kind of studios, e.g.
> http://www.chicksingernight.com/contest/Recording-TheVillage.jpg it
> might be that those computers are quasi stand-alone-devices,
> customized
> to the whole equipment.
>
> I very often asked the community to give me the name of at
> least one big
> audio studio using Linux and I always noticed that they not
> really know
> what a professional studio is.
>
> What ever those guys are using, it's not Ardour2 ;).
>
> http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=al+schmitt+audio
> +engineer&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=599&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
>
> Hm? Bruce Sweeden? A bossom friend of Dirk Brauner ... Oops
> this is the
> correct writing "Bruce Swedien"
>
> There are monitors in the background, unfortunately tze pics
> are just
> thumbnails. http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Bruce+Swedien
> +audio
> +engineer&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=599&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
>
> are you saying professional studios dont run ardour?.. to be clear, i
> was pointing out that ANY DAW, on any OS can become unstable, and i
> was also pointing out that if you are experiencing instability with
> ardour, feel free to properly report the issue so all of us can take
> advantage of the bug reporting and fixing.
>
>
> as far as pro studios running ardour, my studio runs ardour. so does
> this one http://www.sonicstudio.it/
This studio might be a good studio, don't get me wrong, but it has
nothing in common with the real big studios. I guess the difference is
visible ;). Anyway, the productions from this studio could be very good,
I don't know it, but it's a small studio. I call this a home recording
studio.
> , and of course there is/was the
> http://www.sae.edu/en-gb/content/80/Ardour_-_SAE_Edition .
Haha SAE, in Germany they are an absolute joke, never met a good
engineer from SAE, of cause they are important customers, even for
professional companies that sell equipment. But forget SAE, it's
completely non-serious. SAE are crooks in Germany! They aren't
professional, Brauner sold stuff to them, we know SAE. It's an
non-serious school.
> there are plenty others if you want to google around and look them up.
> i dont feel i need to defend ardour to anyone. if it works for you,
> use it, and if it doesnt, then use what works for you. theres no
> shortage of DAW's, even in linux (such as http://www.renoise.com/).
> HOWEVER, do not help spread a false idea that linux and/or ardour is
> not up to the task. are there limitations? of course. i think all
> DAW's/OS's are going to have limitations. AFAIK, we dont really have a
> good easy way to do 5.1 mixing in linux. video production software is
> what it is. ardour2 doesnt have MIDI support, but version 3 will/does.
> for me the combination of JACK + ubuntustudio with all the apps that
> support JACK out of the box, and the interconnectivity that that gives
> me is a win. if i did more MIDI sequencing, i might have a different
> opinion, but i hope ardour3 is a good answer to that particular
> workflow.
How often did you record big orchestras in studio halls? I guess you and
I we are talking about different things, when we are talking about
professional audio engineering. I'm not talking about my home MIDI
music, I'm talking about the jobs I did and about the jobs other people
still do. If Ardour2 would crash you might need to repeat a 60 minutes
recording with 30 musicians and a large studio hall, a studio bus etc.,
this is very much money.
>
>
> PLEASE help us spread the work about how capable the software we have
> is. if you prefer using protools or whatever, thats great, and i
> personally welcome the constructive discussions of those differences,
> and what is working well, and what is not, and why cubase or protools
> (or whatever) is preferred. but please dont spread any misinformation
> about how ardour is not capable.
*chuckle* You spread misinformation. 1. I'm not pro protools!!! 2.
Ardour2 can't be used. A crash could cost thousands of $.
> a preference is a preference, but ardour is awesome, and utilized by
> professionals all over the world.
Thats not true! I like Ardour2. It's very, very good, but you can't do
professional work with it.
>
>
> i apologize if i misunderstood you, i can be defensive about the
> software and community im passionate about.
There's nothing bad with home recording. I'm poor and I like to get
FLOSS home recording software. But audio engineering was my job.
Best,
Ralf
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