[CoLoCo] in defense of open source

[Dave Vanderploeg]

"Very few open source programmers care about flashiness..."

Maybe this is the problem?

On Nov 20, 2007 3:28 PM, Ringo Kamens <2600denver at gmail.com> wrote:

> We'll let FAIR decide that one. I personally think he makes a lot of
> ridiculous claims with very little or no backing, presenting them
> based on facts.
>
> "I've yet to see any phone as cool as the iPhone"
> That's because of the profit motive. Flashiness and things like that
> usually come with the consequence of sustainibility. Cooler looking
> cars are fun but horrible for the environment and the only reason they
> exist is because consumers want to feel cool. The reason the iPhone
> can look cool is because of multi-million dollar ad campaigns and a
> huge influx of profit. Very few open source programmers care about
> flashiness but if a open source project with a goal of making a
> current application (like GNU/Linux smartphones) more flash existed
> and paid programmers (like Apple did) then GNU/Linux would trump the
> closed options.
>
> "Same thing with photoshop and gimp, both work, but one is far more
> appealing (and powerful)"
> A large portion of this is that photoshop has taken public domain
> ideas, mixed them up and patented/copyrighted/whatever them so that
> people can't build off them. If it weren't for their relentless
> defense of their intellectual "property" then GIMP would be on a level
> playing field.
>
> Comrade Ringo Kamens
>
> On Nov 20, 2007 5:25 PM, Jim Hutchinson <jim at ubuntu-rocks.org> wrote:
> > > Jim, I think you make some good arguments for Linux, but I wouldn't
> agree
> > > 100%. Take the iPhone, first I would argue that we do need it, in the
> same
> > > way we need other technology. What once we lived with out, we now
> require.
> > > As for the similar products that are open, they lack appeal, I've yet
> to see
> > > any phone as cool as the iPhone. Same thing with photoshop and gimp,
> both
> > > work, but one is far more appealing (and powerful). Windows, Apple and
> Linux
> > > may all just be polished turds, but Apple often does a great job of
> making
> > > theirs shiniest.
> > >
> >
> > Sorry, Dave, I don't agree. We don't NEED the iPhone (any phone will
> > do for what we really need - i.e. making phone calls). The world is
> > not a better place because suddenly there is the iPhone. In fact,
> > given the toxic nature of some of the components, I'd say the world is
> > worse off. Sure, we all love technology and it's advances but love !=
> > need. Furthermore, the iPhone is not even that much of an advance -
> > just a shiny version of technology that already exists. There is very
> > little in the iPhone that was not out before the iPhone (god, how many
> > times can I say iPhone before I puke).
> >
> > But, yes, apple is good at making technology sexy. I'd love a new iMac
> > (and then put Ubuntu on it).
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
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