[CoLoCo] Ubuntu, The DNC, and Freedom

[TJ Heaney]

My previous comment was not intended to define Anarchism. Just the
perception that people (via the media) see them. Apologies if it was
perceived that way.

A free market would be cool, yes. However, again, Canonical may beat us,
with Shuttleworth having the first swing.



On Jan 24, 2008 9:36 AM, Ringo Kamens <2600denver at gmail.com> wrote:

> There's certainly a risk of arrest. The Denver police are (illegally)
> blocking off huge quadrants of the city. I don't think that going to a
> protest indicates our endorsement of it. And I want to clarify, this isn't a
> protest. There will be protesting close to the convention as well as
> (probably) some street battles with police. What I'm talking about is the
> area farther away from the convention center where people will be
> participating in positive things such as a really really free market, giving
> things away, music, dance, etc. This is where I see free software coming
> into play.
>
> "Regardless of if it is true or not, many will see Ubuntu as a group of
> Anarchist hackers (read: crackers) bent on world domination(tm)."
>
> Unconventional action is the group of anarchists who have laid out
> proposed boundaries. The majority of people at these protests do not fly the
> anarchist flag and don't have anarchist beliefs. And I want to clarify what
> anarchist means because I think there's some confusion. Anarchists are a
> bunch of bomb-making teenagers hell bent on the destruction of society,
> world domination, cracking, or viruses. This is a view given to us by the
> media (the same way they demonize hackers) and this doesn't describe any of
> the people who are organizing the DNC protests; As an anarchist, I take
> offense to that type of view as would any other anarchist. See the Anarchist
> FAQ and the wikipedia entry:
> http://www.infoshop.org/faq/
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
>
> Also, here's the proposed plan which should show where I'm proposing that
> the CoLoCo would fit in.
> http://www.unconventionalaction.org/news/2008/01/10/48/
> Comrade Ringo Kamens
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2008 11:17 AM, TJ Heaney < tjheaney at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My biggest concern with Ubuntu being involved with the DNC is fear of a
> > repeat of what happened at the RNC in New York (Go to www.2600.com for
> > details).
> >
> > As an individual, I would be inclined to be part of the protest,
> > however, representing Ubuntu at said protest would likely be a bad step for
> > Public Relations. Regardless of if it is true or not, many will see Ubuntu
> > as a group of Anarchist hackers (read: crackers) bent on world
> > domination(tm).
> >
> > Additionally, we would likely lose our endorsement from Canonical. If
> > memory serves me correct, I believe that there is some sort of clause that
> > prevents us from being able to use Ubuntu in relation to any political
> > issues.
> >
> > However, in the interest of maintaining a professional environment on
> > this list, I would like to point out that we are discussing politics....
> >
> >
> > TJ
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 24, 2008 9:05 AM, Ringo Kamens < 2600denver at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I think it's sad that people here think protest accomplishes nothing.
> > > The only thing that has ever changed the world is protest. What about
> > > Ghandi? MLK? The 60's? I agree that lots of protest is negative ie people
> > > going "stop that" and complaining without putting positive energy into a
> > > solution. During the DNC, there's goingto be a lot of positive protest where
> > > we create the better world that we believe in, if only for a few days.
> > >
> > > One of the main ideas that Ubuntu sponsors is that everybody should be
> > > able to share software and build off it, even anarchists. I think that we
> > > shouldn't exclude something because of the events political views. The facts
> > > are that a huge section of downtown is going to turn into a type of
> > > spontaneous parade thanks to the thousands of activists who will be
> > > converging on the area during the days the DNC is held here. There will be
> > > free food, transportation, love, etc. and I think there should also be free
> > > software. But if nobody wants to distribute Ubuntu with me, that's ok.
> > > Comrade Ringo Kamens
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 24, 2008 9:27 AM, Collins Richey <crichey at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I found this little quip in a a free-read paper at a local
> > > > restaurant
> > > > a few years back, and how true it rings!
> > > >
> > > > "The principal (only?) accomplishment of almost all organized
> > > > protests
> > > > is to irritate those who are not participating in the protest."
> > > >
> > > > The Comrades of the world may unite without me.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Collins Richey
> > > >     If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries
> > > >     of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.
> > > >
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