[CoLoCo] Unity vs. Gnome ( was Natty Narwhal (11.04) Release Party )

Tue Apr 5 15:13:30 UTC 2011

There's definitely something to say for the fact that i have Gnome working
99% the way I want it, minus a few minor gripes..  I'm crossing my fingers
for sure.  :)

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Aaron D. Gerber <gerberad at gmail.com> wrote:

> I read some article likening the change to Unity to the KDE 4.0 release.
> Not that the technologies are in anyway similar, but the releases to push
> them to the masses prematurely, are the same. We all have seen how KDE has
> grown into it's version 4 identifier, maybe Unity will do the same.
>
> I general, I like the idea of Unity and it looks pretty sweet! However,
> from my old GNOME shell with Avant Window Manager Dock, I am missing:
>
>    - Any kind of extra options in the dock for a running application. For
>    example, I can't set my pidgin status to away in the Dock.
>    - I can't manually add applications to the dock. I have to start them
>    elsewhere and then tell them to say in the Dock once they're running.
>    - I wish the Dock would appear if I moved my mouse anywhere on the left
>    of the screen, as opposed to only the top left corner.
>    - Likewise, if I want to change the options that are passed to the
>    application which is in the Dock, I can't do that like I could do with other
>    launchers.
>    - I no longer have a CPU monitor in the top gnome bar!
>    - I no longer can use the netspeed applet, which gave me the speed of
>    my upload and downloads in the top gnome bar!
>    - Currently, none of my apps are configured to use the new notification
>    area. I tried to white list some of the apps to use the old notification
>    area, but I couldn't get that to work.
>    - With the GNOME shell, if I want to run WarCraft 3 (with true
>    full-screen) in Wine, I can just rock a 'metacity --replace' and then I was
>    ready to play. I tried starting Unity-2D, but that seemed to mess stuff up.
>    The answer was to log out and then log back in with Unity-2D selected and
>    then it worked fine. By-the-way, my wine install got hosed along the way in
>    the upgrades, so I'll need to reinstall. I guess that's what I get for using
>    Alphas! :)
>
> I think there are some other annoyances that I've had using Unity, but
> these are the top ones. I realize that some of these issues may be resolved
> by the time Ubuntu 11.04 is officially released or in future releases. Also
> that there may be workarounds for some of these issues and I just haven't
> had the time to search them down.
>
> In general, I feel helpless in Unity. I guess that's to be expected when
> moving to any new shell. But if anyone has tips or info about how to reduce
> this helpless feeling, let me know.
>
> Aaron-
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Simon Engelbert <engelbert.simon at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Unity and compiz work together. If you install the 11.04 beta and look at
>> your compiz manager you will notice that a lot of unity is controlled by a
>> unity compiz plugin.
>>
>> I was definitely not a big fan at first but am eager to see what they keep
>> coming up with. So far there are some cool ideas and some really smart
>> people working on it (rocky creator). My biggest gripe is how it looks but I
>> think that will get better in time.
>>
>> Also I think the competition is not between unity and old gnome but
>> actually the new gnome shell which is very similar to unity.
>>
>> -Simon
>>
>> Sent from my open source Android device
>> On Apr 5, 2011 6:59 AM, "David Overcash" <funnylookinhat at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > [new thread for sanity's sake] :)
>> >
>> > My understanding of Unity is that it has 3D Compositing and everything
>> built
>> > in, and that you would simply need to write plugins and whatnot (similar
>> to
>> > all of the plugins used to make Compiz actually useful) to get the most
>> of
>> > out it. However, I did see recently that starting with 11.10 - Ubuntu
>> will
>> > ship a 2D desktop version and a 3D version (I'm not sure if it'll be the
>> > same disc or not), but essentially the 2D version will be classic Gnome.
>> >
>> > -David
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Nick Post <nickjpost at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Personally, I've always been a fan of the classic GNOME desktop
>> >> environment. I don't know much about Unity, but just from what I've
>> seen, I
>> >> know I'd rather stick with GNOME; unless we can trick it out with
>> compiz or
>> >> something like it. Is compiz even compatible with Unity?
>> >>
>> >> Nick Post
>> >>
>> >> On Apr 5, 2011, at 6:41, David Overcash <funnylookinhat at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bahahhaha - Same here! Someone want to present on making Unity have
>> some
>> >> more sparkles?
>> >>
>> >> Glad you're coming man!
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:50 PM, Aaron D. Gerber < <gerberad at gmail.com>
>> >> gerberad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'll be there! Topics I'd like to hear more about: How to make Unity
>> not
>> >>> be lame...
>> >>>
>> >>> Aaron-
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Nick Post < <nickjpost at gmail.com>
>> >>> nickjpost at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I'll be there as well with one additional guest! I'm excited!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Nick Post
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Apr 4, 2011, at 12:49, Ian Santopietro < <isantop at gmail.com>
>> >>>> isantop at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Me too, btw. Plus one guest.
>> >>>> On Apr 4, 2011 12:48 PM, "David Overcash" < <
>> funnylookinhat at gmail.com><funnylookinhat at gmail.com>
>>
>> >>>> funnylookinhat at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> > The internet is a series of tubes... a complex one at that. It's
>> not a
>> >>>> dump
>> >>>> > truck... ;)
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Glad you're in Andrew!
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Andrew Barilla < <
>> andrew at exit66.com><andrew at exit66.com>
>>
>> >>>> andrew at exit66.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> I think my RSVP got lost in the tubes. If it did, I'm in.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:45 PM, David Overcash <<
>> funnylookinhat at gmail.com><funnylookinhat at gmail.com>
>>
>> >>>> funnylookinhat at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>> I had set the time on my Meetup Group to 6pm, let me know if I
>> >>>> should
>> >>>> >>>> change this. Also, I will be doing a presentation to my group
>> (and
>> >>>> anyone
>> >>>> >>>> else who wishes to participate) on some of the projects we are
>> >>>> getting
>> >>>> >>>> started. But I don't want to do this at the beginning, but
>> somewhere
>> >>>> mid
>> >>>> >>>> way through.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>> Kevin - My mistake, I don't think I ever ironed that detail out
>> with
>> >>>> you.
>> >>>> >>> Let's set everything for 6:30 as I've already told a few people
>> >>>> off-list
>> >>>> >>> about that time. I'll be sending a more official email later this
>> >>>> week and
>> >>>> >>> posting details all around as necessary; I was waiting to get a
>> >>>> decent
>> >>>> >>> estimate for # of attendees so I could reserve the room w/o worry
>> of
>> >>>> >>> covering an unfilled tab requirement.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>>> >>> David
>> >>>> >>>
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