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On Sun, 2004-11-07 at 12:47 -0800, Matvei Kliuchnikov wrote:
>> A default installation of Windows XP does not come with Java, Flash,
>> Quicktime, DIVX, RealPlayer ...

A default installation of Windows XP does indeed come with Java installed.
I know that for a fact because I removed the MS Java that comes installed by 
default by hand and installed Sun's Java instead. However, you are right 
about the other things. 

Nevertheless, the whole point is that it is very simple to install all of 
these other things using Windows. That is not the case with Ubuntu. Just 
take a look at the Java install instructions for Ubuntu and tell me how long 
it's going to be in minutes before your average computer user who is used to 
Windows goes right back to Windows? Not very long IMHO. :o 

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 22:08:01 +0100 Dennis Kaarsemaker:
>VERY good point. However, for windows people can download simple
>executables that install them. For Ubuntu there is apt or difficult
>things for people who are new to linux. Which means that it is easier to
>install it on windows if there is nothing in the repository and thus
>people will tend to like windows better (crude statement, but I hope you
>get the point).

This is exactly the point I was trying to get across. Thank God you worded 
it much better than I have managed to do. :P 

regards, 

Lee 

When you open Windows, you let in bugs!!!