Things I already hate about Kubuntu (new user)

[Felix Miata]

Mario Vukelic wrote:
 
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 16:53 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:

> > the best of sysadmins are its main
> > users and proponents. It's one of the reasons they are the best. If you
> > want to alienate such people from your distro, this is an excellent way
> > to do it.
 
> No sysadm will have a problem with aptitude install mc

To not have it to start with means wasting time on an inefficient
method of enabling installation before getting to where one should have
been to start with.
 
> > I'm not familiar with all distros, but I do know that when I do a
> > default install of Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE or Xandros,
 
> How many CDs does SuSE have? When I stopped looking, it was 8 or so. All
> the others aren't single disc either afaik.

The CD I usually use for SuSE, Fedora or Mandriva is only about 70M or
less, if I use any CD at all, just to boot, then install from network.
So far, I've yet to find any ubuntu network installation instructions.

And speaking of instructions, looking around I find unusable pages like
http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html that requires I
reduce my font size about 40% just to get rid of a horizontal scroll so
I might use the page, except that I can't read anything that's 40% smaller
than my default. Even disabling page styles helps absolutely 0 on that
so badly designed page (extensive use of needless whitespace in <pre>
forces even most paragraphs not including <pre> elements to be wider than
a fullscreen viewport).
 
> > mc is ready when I
> > am to finish what the installer failed to finish, system configuration,
> > and proceed with system administration, and without wasting time pulling
> > off an internet connection
 
> And in Ubuntu's case, you need 1 command before that. This does not look
> like a strong case for a wishlist bug :)

I counted a whole bunch more than one. The wise don't edit files without
first archiving the originals. So, first navigate to /etc/apt to figure
out whether the applicable file is sources.conf or sources.list or
something else (lots more than one step just here), then archive it,
then edit it, then run update, then finally install, assuming no need 
to fix networking first.
 
> > that may not be available just to get where
> > you should have been to start with.
 
> A failing internet connection can be fixed without mc just as well as
> with mc. And given its goals, Ubuntu better aim at not failing to set it
> up instead of bending over to provide redundant ways to fix it when it
> does fail.

If you count taking longer by a factor between 2 and 20 as just as well,
that's fine for you, but when X doesn't work and network doesn't work,
mc is magnitudes faster than vims and shells at integratedly navigating,
finding, viewing, and editing. OFM's can fix practically everything and
anything, and when you don't know what's wrong, and more than one thing
is broken, and the broken things depend on other broken things, a simple
yet powerful OFM stands ready without deps to quickly and easily fix
just about anything and everything, and with 0 learning curve, and
bunches faster.
 
> > Distro admins who don't have the wisdom
> > to include an OFM don't deserve success for their distro. Knowledgeable
> > sysadmins will continue to stick with distros that understand this. (etc)
 
> Please, there is absolutely no need for these flames. You are free to
> use another distro because it includes mc. Let's keep this within the
> code of conduct.

It wasn't a flame, it was a dose of reality. I can't help it if the
truth hurts.
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