one thing i find anoying is

[Matt Palmer]

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 03:20:19PM +0800, Michael T. Richter wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-03-05 at 18:58 +1200, Brendon wrote:
> > true i agree with wot you say as to speak,  but what i am trying to get at
> > is that the more people that we bring over to linux the better.  
> 
> You're placing the cart before the horse.  It isn't "Linux will get
> better when we get more people" but rather "we will get more people when
> Linux gets better".  Standards -- verifiable and enforced! -- are a key
> step to get commercial support of varying kinds (devices, online support

That's a two-way street though.  We had a great standard for DSL
connectivity -- Ethernet and RFC1483 -- and yet most ISPs only offer
crackful PPPoE (sometimes only over USB!) with all of the attendant
authentication and encapsulation problems.

Sorry, a bit off-topic, but it seemed like the best chance I'm going to get
this week to work off that little rant.

- Matt