Ubuntu 8.04 and Firefox 3 Beta 5

[Christoph Bier]

Avi Greenbury schrieb am 25.04.2008 16:29:

> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:54:07 +0200 Christoph Bier
> <christoph.bier at web.de> wrote:
> 
>> Mario Vukelic schrieb am 25.04.2008 15:40: I don't want to
>> blame anybody---I'm using FOSS which comes with baggage. But I
>> still wonder how software in beta stage can go to a LTS
>> release.
> 
> On a 386-based box (and Ubuntu doesn't support anything else any
> more, does it?) FF3b is measurably more stable than FF2.x.

I had many problems using FF2 on my i386 based box and I had to use
Epiphany and Opera, too. But with FF3 I have some more problems. No
sound I did already mention. But it just hangs very often so I have
to restart it. This didn't happen with FF2.

[...]

> If you want a distro that _only_ uses packages that are in a
> stable release, Debian's probably more appropriate than Ubuntu.

At the moment I don't want to believe that it's really impossible to
have recent and stable software (I used Debian for about six
years---with many backports ...). Maybe you have more experiences in
different OS than me.

>> I trusted Ubuntu that they know what they do and that they only
>> include FF3B5 if there would be no chance for any trouble. But
>> it was my mistake to do so and not to take a new backup after I
>>  took one three hours before. I awaited 8.04 because of some
>> new software versions I desperately needed.
> 
> There is _never_ 'no chance for any trouble' in a software
> upgrade.

Maybe. But then there should be a notice before upgrading what kind
of data loss can happen. If it was there I've overlooked it.

>> Maybe I just have to admit that I can't take that kind of 
>> responsibility using FOSS anymore.
>> 
> 
> I'd be tempted to suggest that if you habitually upgrade your OS
> without taking backups,

I've already written that I take daily backups. Only after the
internet research I found those about 30 websites I didn't backup my
system again before upgrading. And I already admitted that it was my
mistake. Ioannis wanted to know whether one already ran into
problems with FF3B5. And I answered to his question. The problem
would have also occured even if I backed up again. But then I
wouldn't have reacted that inadequate emotional. Sorry for that!

> and then are surprised to lose data
> you've not backed up, you might not be able to take the kind of
> responsibility involved in using _any_ software.

But again: It was just the last straw. Only this FF problem wouldn't
be enough for me to think about a different OS. But all of this
hardware and driver issues drive me crazy. For weeks I want to buy a
webcam but I don't have the time to search for a good cam that's
supported by Linux. The same for a scanner. To keep my route
guidance system up to date I have to run Windows in a virtual
machine. The same for my cell phone. On my wife's new ThinkPad with
a Core 2 Duo Ubuntu runs soo slow that I can't believe it (not to
mention the special keys ...). I have no glue what's going wrong but
even Vista on my brother's ThinkPad (same model) is much more
faster. I'm quite sure somewhere out there is a solution for this
problem as there are solutions for all the other
hardware/performance problems I ran into with GNU/Linux. But after
ten years I'm tired of searching for such solutions and I'm fed up
with parts of the Linux community that are very arrogant---the
Ubuntu community is a highly pleasing exception!---and I just don't
have the time for searching anymore.

Best
Christoph
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