Linux-Evolution upgrade as a solution to techno-political problems

[CLIFFORD ILKAY]

On 22/07/09 12:33 PM, Piper wrote:
> I would not be pursuing a technical solution if there were no "political" 
> problem.
> 
> There are several hundred people on the political lists cc'd and I worked 
> hard to create and build up those lists. Now I cannot post to them. Can 
> anyone explain that as only a technical problem?


If you can't post to those lists, why are you cc:ing them? What's the
point? What makes you think this has anything to do with a conspiracy to
silence you? (Though one can understand the sentiment.) :) It's much
more likely to be PEBKAC. It could be something as silly as you
attempting to post from an email account which isn't subscribed to the
list. It happens all the time with Mailman too. Even supposedly
technical people get caught up on this one. They don't realize that
Mailman can't tell that billybog at somedomain.com is the same person as
billybob at someotherdomain.com. They seem to think that Mailman should
just figure that out, somehow. The simple solution to that "problem" for
"billybob" is to subscribe with both email addresses but set one to
NOMAIL so that he can post from either but only receive posts from the
list on one.


> **************
> Why then should I trust someone else to host my future lists?
> **************


Because not every web hosting provider is under the control of your
political "opponents". Believe it or not, many people, yours truly for
example, take "freedom of expression" seriously and won't censor,
hinder, or otherwise interfere with whatever it is that you're saying on
these lists that makes them the target of the bogeymen you think are
silencing you.


> Of course China can censor the Internet without pulling the plug. It is the 
> interface of technology and politics that makes it possible. If you have a 
> business in Hong Kong hosting web sites and email lists, do you think the 
> political powers are going to let you stay in business if you criticize 
> Beijing on web sites or email lists?
> 
> re MIT- list: a staff writer from Wired phoned me about the list as he was 
> considering an article on this subject. Then I started having problems. I 
> cannot post to it. Yahoo won't answer my complaints. Is a server in Hong 
> Kong going to solve that problem? Is it only technical?


I've heard there are a few hosting providers outside of Hong Kong but
you have to really look hard to find them. :)


> Windows is an expression of political ideology, eg monopoly capitalism which 
> some people simply call greed. Bill Gates is no friend of liberty. Where is 
> his free software to solve the problems  have stated? Linux, Majordomo and 
> other non-proprietary SW allows a free world solution. But it will take a 
> little more work and money.
> 
> I gave two criteria for the kind of email SW I want. If I add a third, it 
> anticipates techno-political problems with web site hosting. I have used 
> Geocities hundreds of times. In a few months Geocities shuts down. All of my 
> work on Geocities is lost to me. So what is next for "free" web hosting? But 
> what if upgraded Evolution also has (3) an archive which allows some text 
> and pictorial work? It can double as a web site.

You've been told repeatedly by multiple people that Evolution is the
wrong tool for the job but you still persist in the notion that
Evolution could be made to do something for which it was never designed
to do and never will do. Mailman has all that you seek. Pay someone to
host a Mailman list for you and contract for daily/weekly/monthly dumps
of the Mailman membership database(s) and the tarballs of the list
archives to be put in somewhere on the server that you can access. You
can then rsync those every day to your local machine so that if you wish
to migrate to another Mailman hosting provider, you can. You're trying
to reinvent the wheel. This problem has already been solved by countless
other people using the method I described above. Your needs aren't so
special that it requires an extraordinary solution.

If you relied on GeoCities for something important and they went away,
well, you got what you paid for.
-- 
Regards,

Clifford Ilkay
Dinamis
1419-3266 Yonge St.
Toronto, ON
Canada  M4N 3P6

<http://dinamis.com>
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