10.04? No thanks, I give up!

[Knapp]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:21 PM, zongo saiba <zongosaiba at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 17:07 -0300, lcn.mustard wrote:
>> On 10-05-2010 16:45, Tom H wrote:
>> > 2010/5/10 Edgars Šmits <ed.smits at gmail.com>:
>> >
>> > > I finally give up on 10.04, it's not worth the hassle of trying to get
>> > > my video output fixed. When last I wrote I was happily working away in
>> > > the wonderful new 10.04 world (not an upgrade, a clean install), when
>> > > after an upgrade Saturday I lost my video - all I could see was a
>> > > white screen with vertical stripes. I received some advice as to how
>> > > to fix this, none of it worked - I was even able to boot into a live
>> > > 10.04 session if I used the "nomodeset" graphics option, but wasn't
>> > > able to fix my problem. I don't quite understand how the new Grub2 is
>> > > better than the old one - I can't access it by any known keyboard
>> > > tricks that I know (tab, shift etc), and I can't manually edit it - I
>> > > tried, and ended up in a memtest hell...
>> > >
>> > > Tonight I finally gave up and decided to do a new install from the
>> > > Live disk using nomodeset, installed and rebooted like a trooper,
>> > > started doing upgrades etc, and didn't even do a kernel or driver
>> > > update when after a reboot I was back to a white screen, vertical
>> > > stripes.
>> > >
>> > > I'm going back to 9.04 tomorrow, life's too short to waste screwing
>> > > around with an OS, no matter how good it may be. I know I'm not the
>> > > only one out there with a Radeon Xpress 200M card in a Dell Inspiron
>> > > 1501 - there are lots of emails in the bug lists, but the bugs are all
>> > > listed as closed. This latest attempt on my part was on a clean,
>> > > vanilla install, so I know it's not something I've done, and if it is
>> > > then Ubuntu is no where near ready for the big time. I've been a happy
>> > > camper for over 5 years, sure, had some problems but usually I was
>> > > able to sort them out with help from this list, but this time I give
>> > > up. I don't want to be a computer geek, I just want to load an OS that
>> > > works as I expect it to.
>> > >
>> > You did not have to move to 10.04 as soon as it was released! But you
>> > will have to move away from 9.04 when 10.10 comes out because 9.04
>> > support will end then...
>> >
>> > I don't understand how you can blame grub2 for what seems to be a kms problem.
>> >
>> > Since nomodeset works when you boot from a Live CD, it should also
>> > work for your install.
>> >
>> > Did you google or post on this list to find out how to add nomodeset
>> > to your grub2 boot stanzas?
>> >
>> >
>> I always have problens with the video and totem. So I still with
>> hardy.
>
> What I would like to understand really is why regressive bugs? I had
> sound in 9.10 on my external speakers and I could use my internal
> microphone out the box. In 10.04, I had to modify alsa-base.conf in
> order to use my external speakers in such a way that now I am unable to
> use my internal microphone. The point being not the issue of not using
> my internal microphone but more why a regressive bug ? How can that
> happen and most importantly why?

http://catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/
Read the Cathedral and the Bazaar to get a deeper understanding.
Basically Ubuntu has broken one of the golden rules of open source.
You develop and release based on goals not times.

To look at it from a different way. They are changing the whole boot
loader so that they can get under 10 seconds boots. This will break a
lot of stuff and of course all the other bits are changing as they are
improved or updated. All this breaks stuff. Open source is ALWAYS
changing, even when it does not need to. This leads to better stuff in
the long run but breaks stuff in the short run. You have to pick, new
and broken or old and stable. Ubuntu runs more to the new side.

Also a driver might be made 20% faster but that change breaks 3% of
the users' computers. That is not seen until it is released because
the programmers did not have that computer system in shop. They then
get a bug report and fix it. YOU must file that report or it will
never get fixed. That is how open source works.

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