10.04? No thanks, I give up!

[chris]

On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 10:33 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:12 AM, chris wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 08:59 +0800, Christopher Chan wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:30 AM, Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 11 May 2010 19:20:03 +0800
> >>> Chan Chung Hang Christopher<christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk>   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> That LTS badge is meaningless if it just means we shall ensure
> >>>> security fixes for the next x years.
> >>>>
> >>> It isn't meaningless.  It just has a meaning that people don't expect
> >>> and /doesn't/ have the meaning they /do/ expect.  Nowhere does it claim
> >>> to be bugless or stable.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Come right up! We be walking in the paths of the proven and glorious and
> >> successful Microsoft! This be Linux for the masses just like Windows is
> >> for the masses!
> >>
> > I assume that this was tongue in check.  :-)
> 
> Oops, I forgot to keep my tongue in check. But it is tongue in cheek. :-p
> 
> 

:-)

> >
> > <snip>
> >>
> >> If you cannot be bothered to ensure that it is free of bugs causing
> >> major problems be it data loss or usability, then I am not interested.
> >
> >> We don't claim bugless or stability. You call that an excuse?
> >>
> >
> > I have to agree with you, with one provisio. I have used Ubuntu since
> > its first releases, and indeed some of my clients are still using 6.04
> > with no issues.
> 
> Well, I tried 7.04 and boy was it a disaster. /me stomps on Network Manager.
> 
> 
They still haven't got the gnome network manager right actually.

> > 8.04 never gave me an issue, but since then, their "must" release cycle
> > has simply meant things have consistently gone down hill.
> 
> I still have issues with 8.04 but they are not major problems. You'd 
> think that they would consider dbus issues in KDE something worth 
> fixing...I just have to wait for a timeout before I see a file dialog 
> for anything GNOME. But yeah, it is stable for the most part. Some LTS. 
> I had to do my own patching of Kopete for Yahoo support.
> 
> 
> >
> > I find Debian Lenny is stable bug free and does every thing I want.
> > Also PCLinux os, which is an rpm based distro.
> >
> > I don't know how we get the point across to Shuttleworth and co, that
> > what the bulk of users; ie  not ubber geeks, require, is stable sound
> > software that performs as it should.  Having to spend three months
> > triaging a system that is faulty to make it stable is not an option for
> > most.
> 
> Heh. Guess why I intend to wait for three months before even trying 
> Lucid? I'm not even going to try Karmic.
> 
> 
> >
> > The other thing that is bugging the ^&*(*&^ out of my client base is
> > that fact that Ubuntu dropped support for dial up.
> > A significant number of my clients use dial up.
> 
> Yet another case of community and 'community'.
> 
> 
Yes I think we are going to have to give Ubuntu away as "another" geek
distro.  For my client base I shall probably have to recommend Mac's


> >
> > This is very easy to set up in Debian, and Pc linux os, where as under
> > Ubuntu you need access to the internet to download the files needed to
> > set up dial up.  How can you do that with out internet access?
> > Frankly these frustrations are forcing me to move to another distro.
> >
> 
> Well, I have given up on ever rolling out Linux desktops over here. 
> Promethean has decided to go with Ubuntu but I sure ain't going to 
> suggest rolling out trial Ubuntu desktops again with these sort of 
> things going on.
> 

Agreed - however  I have a client base built up over many years to
support.  Guess what They ain't going to be updated past 8.04
Cheers the kiwi