Oh, please, please, COME ON Ubuntu development people!

[scott]

On 04/20/2011 06:53 AM, Joep L. Blom wrote:
> On 20/04/11 02:58, Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Joep L. Blom<jlblom at neuroweave.nl>  
>> wrote:
>>> On 17/04/11 21:42, Tom H wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Joep L. Blom<jlblom at neuroweave.nl>
>>>>   wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> Your (OT) rant is firstly completely useless and secondly grossly in
>>>>> error.
>>>>> Or didn't you know that the MacOS is Linux (albeit BSD) with a
>>>>> not-so-intelligent overlay.
>>
>>>> If you're going to correct someone, *please* get your facts right!
>>>>
>>>> OS X's based on FreeBSD, which most certainly isn't Linux.
>>>>
>>>> OS X's "overlay" is being imitated by both Canonical and GNOME so it
>>>> can't be *that* unintelligent...
>>
>>> First, Linux was a slip of the pen, (typed and not reread) and to be
>>> nitpicking: FreeBSD is not BSD but a much later incarnation of 
>>> it.Moreover,
>>> I have always had the impression that Unix is coined by Kernigan and 
>>> Ritchy
>>> where Ken Thomson was the third man. Don't forget:C was never 
>>> intended to be
>>> a real computer language, it was only a bag of subroutines to 
>>> program the
>>> operating system Unix.
>>> I got my first incarnation of Unix from K&  R in 1979 on a few tapes 
>>> with a
>>> huge set of paper (documentation) for the old DEC PDP-11, (talking 
>>> about
>>> real old systems) and was my successor for the PDP-8 which I bought 
>>> it in
>>> 1969 working in a research institution.
>>
>> I don't follow but it doesn't matter...
>
> What is it you don't follow??
> The first incarnation of Unix was written for the PDP-11 from DEC. I 
> mentioned that I acquired that machine after I had had experience with 
> another machine of DEC, the PDP8 which was not 16-bit but 12-bit (as 
> the PDP-9 and PDP-10 were). The PDP-11 was the first machine 
> programmed in hexadecimal (instead of octal which were the other 
> machines). Unix was the first general 16-bit OS and incorporated 
> several principles with respect to security that still forms the base 
> of ala UNIX lookalikes.
>>
>>> And I humbly disagree as copying is not proof that something is 
>>> good! Eye
>>> candy for one is an eye sore for another and the typical Mac GUI was 
>>> only
>>> meant to be different from the MS GUI and didn't have user 
>>> friendliness in
>>> mind. The only reason to plagiarize the Mac GUI is the thought that 
>>> it will
>>> attract people that like the Mac but don't want the closed Apple
>>> environment.
>>
>> We can't all agree...
>>
>> Copying is a proof that something's successful. I generally advise
>> traders and the like at work to buy a Mac when they ask my advice and
>> they love it - every one of them. We're talking about people who've
>> been using Windows for years at work and at home.There's less eye
>> candy than Windows or KDE but it very user-friendly.
>>
> I still disagree somewhat as copying the MAC tells only half. The fact 
> that the look-and-feel of the MAC is appreciated by many only shows 
> that people tend to be easy-going and accept even illogical things in 
> the UI. The other half is that the MAC look-and-feel is made only for 
> the MAC hardware and this is not different from the way Microsoft 
> forces people. That is my main objection against the Apple way. 
> Therefore if you copy the MAC way, you enhance proprietary 'eye-candy' 
> and that's in my eyes the wrong signal to users.
> I agree of course that it is purely a question of taste. But it is 
> just as important to have a free choice. In Linux (Ubuntu) you have a 
> choice of many different UI (Gnome, Unity. XFSM, KDE, etc.). With the 
> MAC and Microsoft you have no choice.
> I think everybody has to make his own choice for proprietary software 
> or Open Source, standard hardware or proprietary hardware and last - 
> but not least - the budget he/she want to spend.
> Joep
>
>
 From a LUG group:
  "Real programmers don't document.
  If it was hard to write,
  it should be hard to use and understand.
   - is this the current Canonical motto?"