Oh, please, please, COME ON Ubuntu development people!

[Liam Proven]

On 21 April 2011 18:54, Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 21 April 2011 17:57, Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 21 April 2011 16:33, Mike McGinn <mikemcginn at mcginnweb.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:18:58 Smoot Carl-Mitchell wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 2011-04-21 at 12:04 +0200, Joep L. Blom wrote:
>>>>>> > The story is then that Olson was so pissed off that he put the PDP-11
>>>>>> > within 9 months in the market and when you opened the 2 boxes you didn't
>>>>>> > find much difference.
>>>>>> > I assume other computer veterans on this list can give better details on
>>>>>> > this.
>>>>>> > Any way on this site > http://gunkies.org/wiki/PDP-11
>>>>>> > the PDP11-20 is said to be set into the market in 1970 and ran several
>>>>>> > OS. Unix (DEC name: Ultrix) was one of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ultrix did not appear until after the AT&T breakup in the early 80s.
>>>>>> Ultrix was a derivative of the BSD Unix work and ran on the VAX
>>>>>> hardware. I think you could get a PDP-11 version, but I am not sure
>>>>>> about that.  In the 70s Unix was put out under various research
>>>>>> "Editions".  The last one from AT&T before the commercial System 3 was
>>>>>> Edition 7.  I still have a paper manual for Edition 7 lying around the
>>>>>> house somewhere.  Remarkably, the basic OS API and filesystem
>>>>>> permissions and structure is very similar to any modern Unix or Linux
>>>>>> system.  Any competent sysadmin or programmer familiar with Linux would
>>>>>> feel right at home on Edition 7.
>>>>>
>>>>> My first exposure to Ultrix was on the Alpha hardware. The later changed the
>>>>> name to "Digital Unix". It was not a bad system to develop on. Most of the
>>>>> places that I knew of with VAXes ran VMS, including the big physics labs.
>>>>
>>>> I think your memories are a bit confused.
>>>>
>>>> Ultrix never ran on Alpha. Ultrix ran only on VAXes, VAXstations and
>>>> DEC's MIPS-powered DECstations.
>>>>
>>>> The Unix for Alpha was originally called OSF/1. Version 3.1 was
>>>> renamed Digital UNIX. Version 4 was renamed again, sadly, to the
>>>> horrible, twee "Tru64 UNIX."
>>>>
>>>> Released versions only ever ran on Alpha. It was developed on MIPS but
>>>> that version was never released, and after Compaw bought DEC and then
>>>> HP bought Compaq, Tru64 was ported to Itanium, but again, never
>>>> released; HP simply killed the product and laid off the developers.
>>>>
>>>> This is why proprietary Unix was a bad thing, kids. Too much infighting.
>>>
>>> The only thing that HP wanted to port from Tru64 was the clustering
>>> product - TruClusters.  I could go into a long story as to why that
>>> failed, but it wasn't for technical reasons which only illustrates
>>> your point.
>>
>> AIUI, HP also wanted AdvFS and the Tru64 Logical Storage Manager.
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/02/hp_ends_tru64/
>>
>> AdvFS got open-sourced, but it's not attracted much interest AFAIK:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdvFS
>> http://advfs.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> LSM was the homegrown DEC equivalent of the licenced-in Veritas
>> storage manager, as also used in Windows 2000 Server and later:
>> http://h30097.www3.hp.com/tiplsm.html
>> The Linux equivalent is LVM.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)
>
> Ah yes, completely forgot about those.  But to be fair those were the
> parts of Tru64 that TruClusters were dependent on.  The cluster file
> system that TruClusters used was heavily integrated with AdvFS.
>
> Funny thing is that a good handful of the AvdFS, CFS and LVM
> developers ended up at Oracle working on a clustered file system and
> dynamic block device (Oracle ACFS & Oracle ADVM).

Ahh, right! I did not realise that. I'm afraid the only clustered
environments I've worked on were DEC VAXclusters and Novell Netware 3
SFTIII (which wasn't a true cluster anyway.) From the little I know,
nothing else compares to VAXclusters, anyway.

> Even more amusing
> is that the actual HP building where Tru64/TruCluster was being worked
> on is literally right next to the Oracle building where those new
> teams are.

Ha! Is that in Maynard, Massachusetts?

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