Natty 11.04 - nearly like 10.10!

[Liam Proven]

On 1 July 2011 07:10, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-06-30 at 20:53 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
>> On 27 June 2011 09:41, Stephen Kuhn <yank.down.under at gmx.com> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 03:19 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > This gives you a strong aroma of neophobia & as such not someone I'd
>> >> > trust to run my systems, I \have to tell you.
>> >>
>> >> Damn Stephen, there it is. You got told! I'd be weeping in my oatmeal.
>> >> And, you're King Cnut'ish as well. Damn... a public service announcement
>> >> from Liam over your personal preference for the old style gnome desktop.
>> >> Well, I wouldn't let you near my system either, I happen to prefer KDE3.
>> >> Oh hell, I'll have to go shoot myself now. :) Ric
>> >
>> > Well, if I constantly and consistently deliver something that, for
>> > nearly the past ten years, looks exactly the same, um, from a stupid
>> > end-user perspective, am I not doing what I promised in the beginning?
>> > Ha. Stick that in yer "progressive" pipe and smoke it! ;)
>>
>> I have no idea what you promised. If you promised consistency, then
>> the users should be on LTS releases & none of this is an issue.
>>
>> If you promised to help people run Ubuntu, then you are doing them a
>> grave disservice if you give them some hand-rolled custom setup that
>> is unlike anything else out there, because if you get run over by a
>> bus tomorrow, nobody else will be able to support it... And if they
>> install their own machines, or use someone else's, they will be lost
>> because it won't be like the standard system.
>>
>> This is a lesson I learned myself, over the same time in the same
>> business as you, and it was hard. You stick to the defaults unless you
>> have a *damned* good reason. "I don't like the new look" is *not* a
>> damned good reason, it's a lousy one.
>
> Or, maybe Stephen knows his customers preferences and delivers to them
> what they want, which makes it a damned good reason. Why are you
> slamming him?
>
> I haven't seen one single standard setup that comes ~close~ to suiting
> my needs yet and I always change it to suit me. If some group insisted
> on the old KDE StarTrek theme, so that their desktop looked like Spock's
> workstation, and wanted to pay me to set it up like that and maintain
> it, then Unity would scare the beejesus out of me, as it might interfere
> with my cash flow. I just don't get how you can make such a judgment
> call, without being privy to his business relationship and plans with
> his customers. Ric

You might  be right; certainly you're correct that I don't know. There
could be some specific special situation like this.

But, overall, I stand by  my points. I am tired of all the
Unity-bashing & I think a lot of it is knee-jerk reaction.

Same sort of thing I get when riding my recumbent bicycle. Sure I get
a few kids shouting "hey, cool bike!" but I get 10x more people
shouting "get off the road" or "you're an idiot!" or "that thing is a\
deathtrap, get a proper bike!"

All because it looks different. It's just a bicycle with different
geometry, at the end of the day... But it looks different, it stands
out, it says "I am not one of the herd" - and we are social, group
animals, evolved in troupes, and we don't like sudden change.

(For the curious, I currently ride one of these:
http://www.optimabikes.com/optima-condor.html
... and before that I had one of these:
http://www.m5-ligfietsen.nl/site/EN/Models/Shock_Proof_406_CrMo
)

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