Deja Vu all over again!

[Ric Moore]

On Sat, 2011-07-02 at 10:58 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: 
> On 2 July 2011 03:34, Ric Moore <wayward4now at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-07-01 at 13:12 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:
> >> On 1 July 2011 12:57, Ben Darby <bendarb at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > * Liam Proven (lproven at gmail.com) wrote:
> >> >> On 1 July 2011 07:31, Jordon Bedwell <jordon at envygeeks.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On 07/01/2011 01:23 AM, Ric Moore wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Heh, I certainly believe in acupuncture and bee stings for relief for
> >> >> >> arthritis, as they have worked for me. Millions of others do too... but
> >> >> >> they're all just ~gullible~ Chinese, who will shortly own us all.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I've only been to the chiropractor once and I've done acupuncture once too
> >> >> > and each time I walked out of the place feeling ready to take on the entire
> >> >> > world.  Especially with the chiropractor because he certainly showed me that
> >> >> > my back really was messed up from sitting improperly in my chair for so long
> >> >> > everyday, I didn't even know it was messed up until I I could the
> >> >> > difference.
> >> >>
> >> >> It wasn't messed up. Chiropractors are charlatans; all backs creak
> >> >> like that, it's normal. I am sure most believer fervently in what they
> >> >> do, but it's bogus.
> >> >>
> >> >> Acupuncture cures nothing, *but* the transient placebo effect does
> >> >> provide pain relief. Needles stuck in at random will do this, though,
> >> >> as will fake needles, sugar pills and saline injections. It's just
> >> >> flim-flam. All the stuff about "meridians" and "qi" is nonsense.
> >> >
> >> > And you're concerned about people spreading misinformation...
> >>
> >> I can produce solid evidence that these statements are true. They are
> >> objective, demonstrable fact.
> >
> > Demonstrable how?
> 
> I'm not going to touch the mysticism stuff, which for now can't be
> proved either way.]
> 
> Complementary medicine, though, can, simply and readily, by randomised
> controlled trials. Check out the work of Professor Edzard Ernst, the
> world's first professor of complementary medicine, who spent his
> career devising scientific investigations of this stuff and to his
> amazement and initial horror found that in almost every form of
> "treatment" there is no effect at all, or just an effect
> indistinguishable from placebo.
> 
> CAM is a scam. There's nothing to it. A chat with a sympathetic ear
> does just as much good.

We agree then. Whatever one perceives is one's reality. :) Ric


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