Ubuntu 12.04 LTS removing unity and installing GNOME

[Pastor JW]

On Thursday, June 07, 2012 11:59:27 AM Albert Wagner wrote:
> On 06/07/2012 10:45 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> > On 7 June 2012 16:22, Albert Wagner<albertwagner at cox.net>  wrote:
> >> On 06/07/2012 02:03 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> >>> On 7 June 2012 00:12, Albert Wagner<albertwagner at cox.net>    wrote:
> >>>> On 06/06/2012 09:42 AM, Ryan Gauger wrote:
> >>>>> On 06/06/2012 09:39 AM, Albert Wagner wrote:
> >>>>>> On 06/06/2012 08:28 AM, Ryan Gauger wrote:
> >>>>>>> Is Unity also a shell for GNOME? It's a bit confusing... :)
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> That is because so many here erroneously use the phrase "Gnome 3" to
> >>>>>> refer to the "Gnome 3 Shell".  Unity, Gnome 3 Shell, Kubuntu, and
> >>>>>> Xubuntu
> >>>>>> all sit on top of Gnome 3.  Several other distros dirivative of
> >>>>>> Ubuntu
> >>>>>> also,
> >>>>>> obviously, use Gnome 3 (not the Shell).  Also, Mint has two Debian
> >>>>>> based
> >>>>>> distros that use Gnome 3, but use XFCE or Cinnamon for the desktop.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>   SolusOS
> >>>>>>   currently ships Gnome 2 and has begun development on a Gnome2 
> >>>>>>   exact
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> lookalike, but sitting on top of Gnome 3.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> KDE isn't built off GNOME 3. GNOME 3 has nothing to do with KDE, XFCE,
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> LXDE.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Really?  One of us is definitely confused :)
> >>> 
> >>> I think for once Ryan is right, unless I am also confused.  I thought
> >>> that GNOME (on which Unity runs), KDE, XFCE and LXDE are alternative,
> >>> independent, desktop environments.  Can you provide a reference
> >>> showing how KDE "sits on top of" Gnome, as you stated above?
> >> 
> >> I was thinking of Kubuntu (which is now being cast off by Ubuntu).
> > 
> > Kubuntu uses KDE which is not based on Gnome
> 
> Yet, Ubuntu is based on Gnome.  So what do you think differentiated
> Kubuntu from a non-Ubuntu KDE distribution.  Was there nothing at all
> left of Ubuntu in Kubuntu?
> 
> >> It is true that everyone previously dependent on Gnome2 is now in hybrid
> >> mode, frantically working to insure that Gnome3(NOT THE SHELL) eventually
> >> replaces all of gnome2 in their own distribution; Ubuntu no more, no less
> >> than anyone else.  What gives you the idea that Unity has some peculiar
> >> magic that allows it and no one else to utilize Gnome3(NOT THE SHELL)?
> > 
> > Who is that addressed to?  I never suggested anything of the sort.
> > 
> > Colin
> 
> I am sorry.  I thought you had.
> I think that we are having a tragic failure to communicate.  I tried to
> clarify the cause of that failure in my original post ("That is because
> so many here erroneously use the phrase 'Gnome 3' to refer to the 'Gnome
> 3 Shell'".)  In my thinking "Gnome 2 Panel" and "Gnome 3 Shell" are
> merely GUIs: What you refer to as "alternative, independent, desktop
> environments".  When I refer to simply Gnome2 or Gnome3 I mean the huge
> body of underlying applications, usually but not always, bound to a
> version of the Gimp Tool Kit(1.0-3.4)  Some, like Nautilus, are tightly
> bound to Gnome, but most are not.  It's probably a good time to remember
> that originally I was attempting to answer Ryan's statement: "Is Unity
> also a shell for GNOME? It's a bit confusing... :)"

It is confusing mostly because people think Gnome and Ubuntu are the same 
thing.  I even had a customer argue this just this week.  His statement, "I 
don't use Gnome, I use just plain vanilla Ubuntu." led to me showing him 
several desktops running on the same Ubuntu version he
 was running.  He left updated to 12.04 with Gnome, KDE, Xfce,  AND Lxde 
desktops installed on his laptop!  And like so many others that see them all 
running on the same machine, he chose KDE as his default.