install gripes (not original)

[Thufir Hawat]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:45:58 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
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> Umm, what the f*** are you on about?!
> 
> WHAT distro ARE you talking about - name, version, and which DE?

What's a DE?  Ubuntu 11.10

> 
> Where does Steve Jobs come into this - considering that the man has now
> been 6-feet under for some time? And not only that but he has nothing to
> do with Linux.

Err, the mac started putting min/max/close on the LHS instead of the RHS 
as it traditionally was (even with the old mac, as I recall).  Why they 
did this, I have no idea.  Why Ubuntu followed suite is another mystery.  
I attribute that change to S. Jobs and i-fruits, perhaps erroneously.

Are you really unfamiliar with that?  I dunno, thought that was common 
knowledge:

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23899/

It was a very strange "improvement" at the time.  I suppose some people 
liked it :(

I mean, it's worse than re-inventing the wheel.  It's wheel 2.0 with an 
ever so slightly different interface so that changing a flat requires 
reading the manual because nothing works in quite the expected fashion.

The way that you can't right click on GNOME panels, but must alt-right-
click really takes the cake for absurd changes.   

Ok, wait, that I had to *remove* packages to eliminate the annoying mac 
style menu (gnome panel) horizontally across the top of the screen, that 
one is worse.  I mean, why not just edit some obscure config file to turn 
that off?  Or, gasp, right click and delete the panel. Oh well.

Plus, it's a huge waste of time which Ubuntu developers put into such 
nonsense.  Don't you find that a waste of brain power?  Can't you find 
any broken packages which don't install correctly, or are outdated?  
Resources are limited, and re-inventing GNOME/KDE/etc is beyond the pale.

Not that I don't admire the effort.  I get it that the idea was "if you 
build it, they will come," but that's predicated on building something 
worthwhile, which Unity, or even GNOME 3, ain't.

> Did you forget to take your daily medication, or are have you changed
> the brand of the stuff you normally imbibe? :-)
> 
> BC


LOL.  In all serious, maybe the rant was non-specific.  It was a rant, 
after all.  Was it unclear in some way, beyonds the Jobs reference?  I 
don't recall all the packages I had to install *and* remove, so I would 
have to google all that up.  It's like four steps just to get a, to me, 
normal looking desktop.  (Using pre-i-mac's, windows 3.1, X Windows, etc 
as the baseline for what a "desktop" looks like.)

When you install GNOME, it's not supported officially. So, that's 
annoying.  Then, to get it looking like GNOME 2.x is a PITA of monumental 
proportions.  (By which I mean deleting extraneous panels, at least 
that's all I had to do.)

Quite bizarre.  You used to be able to select GNOME/KDE/etc from the 
login menu.  What was wrong with that system?

Note that none of these changes are anything but superficial, it's just 
tweaking the GUI so that it behaves in new and strange ways.  Maybe 
there's a control group out there who get a different version of unity ;)



-Thufir