breaking the threads...

[Dave Woyciesjes]

On 03/14/2012 11:50 AM, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Hello
> Am 14.03.2012 16:38 schrieb "Dave Woyciesjes" <woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net
> <mailto:woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net>>:
>  >
>  > On 03/14/2012 10:59 AM, Alexander Skwar (ML) wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Am 14.03.2012 15:52, schrieb Robert P. J. Day:
>  >>>
>  >>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, M.R. wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> However, I *will change* my usage of the subject line if told so by
>  >>>> the list owner/moderator, or if another participant points me to
>  >>>> where the list owner has a documented directive that the subject
>  >>>> lines must not be changed inside a thread. (This would be the only
>  >>>> list with such rule I'm aware of, but I guess that's what a list
>  >>>> owner has the right to do).
>  >>>>
>  >>>> M.R.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> first, you need to get out more often as everyone else is correct
>  >>> and you are wrong.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Actually, that's not a correct statement. At least Liam and Basil
>  >> are on a wrong track.
>  >
>  >
>  >        Really? Where & how?
>
> You know perfectly well where.

	No, I don't. That's why I'm asking.

>  >>> second, and more critically, you seem to be taking an amazingly
>  >>> obstinate position on something that would be trivially easy to
>  >>> change. all people are asking you to do is use a new message to start
>  >>> a new thread.
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> But, if you have a look, he didn't start a new thread! The subject
>  >> line is supposed to be a brief "overview" of what's in the mail.
>  >> If the topic (or, maybe we might even call it "subject") changes,
>  >> it's correct to change the subject contents.
>  >
>  >
>  >        No, the correct method is: If you are wanting to reply to a
>  > message in a thread, and your reply is taking the discussion to a new
>  > direction necessitating a Subject line change; then the polite & proper
>  > this to do is open a new message window, copy the body contents of what
>  > you are replying to, paste in to the new message window. Then add your
>  > reply & send.
>
> No, that is not correct.
>
> Correct procedure: Change the subject line, but do not produce a new
> mail. This way, the threading stays intact. After all, the changed mail
> used to have to do something with the previous mail.

	The point of threading is to group messages that relate to a specific 
subject. Yes, the changed _used_ to have something to do with the 
original, but the key word/phrase there is 'used to'.
	Why would you want a message about KDE in your grouping of messages 
about Acrobat?
	

> The way you suggested makes sure that threading brakes, which is bad.

	Sounds like you have an uncommon definition of threading.

>  >> What confuses me - why this "hate"? He's not doing anything
>  >> wrong! On the contrary, he's completely right!
>  >>
>  >> Alexander
>  >
>  >
>  >        Hate? I see no hate. Just people asking someone to follow the
> group's guidelines; and follow common & long standing list-serve etiquette.
>
> Hate was the wrong word.

	I didn't think that's the word you really wanted.

> Point is: people complain, although Mr follows common & long standing
> list-serve etiquette. People even suggest to break this etiquette.

	Hmmm, now this _is curious. You & MR say he is following the common 
etiquette; yet pretty much everyone else here says our method is 
following the common etiquette....

> Quite simple: if the subject of a sub-thread changes, then change the
> subject line. But do Not start a new thread!

	So, you're saying that this whole mailing list, and any messages coming 
after this; should all be part of one thread?

> He seems to follow this old rule. So please stop moaning.

	If you want to bolster your side of this argument, please provide 
everyone with references to articles & such (hopefully they will have 
dates).
	The only way to win an argument like this is to provide irrefutable 
proof that you are correct.

> Thanks.
>


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