firefox, trackers and ghostery

[pete smout]

On 18/07/13 08:10, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Robert Holtzman <holtzm at cox.net
> <mailto:holtzm at cox.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I think several people on this list, including you, are missing the
>     central point. Read the 5th Amendment. The right to remain silent
>     extends to everyday life, not just a police interrogation. When a
>     merchant asks for my information, it's my right, and I frequently
>     exercise it, to refuse to supply it. You don't have that ability with
>     trackers (or for that matter with the NSA). The *right* is the point,
>     not the information.
> 
> 
> Okay, let's do just that.  Let's read the 5th Amendment.  Here's the
> text of the 5th Amendment to the United States Constitution:
> 
> "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous
> crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in
> cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in
> actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be
> subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or
> limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness
> against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without
> due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use,
> without just compensation."
> 
> I'm having a really hard time seeing how the above covers your "everyday
> life" interactions with merchants and businesses.  Do you have a "right"
> to not give your information to a merchant?  Sure.  And they can
> reciprocate by exercising their "right" to not do business with you. 
> What the heck does that have to do with the 5th Amendment?
> 
> You've said this is the "central point."  Let's mention that again.  The
> "_central_ point."  Surely you have some sort of justification for this
> view of yours, that the 5th Amendment extends to your everyday
> interactions with the business community, that should, in theory, make
> sense to someone.  How, exactly, do you draw that line from point A (the
> actual text) to point B (this nonsensical opinion of yours)?
> 
> -- 
> Chris
> 
> "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent 
> the Universe." -- Carl Sagan
> 
> 
> 
> 
Point 1: Not everyone lives in the US-of-A so the '5th' does not apply
to all!

Point 2: Just try not agreeing to the 'T's & C's' and see how far you get!

Point 3: Purely by inserting your debit / credit card into the reader
they have your details! no ifs no buts they have them. The same applies
online, the moment you sign up for any site they have you, can you use
an alias, yes but again if (as millions of people per day do) you
purchase goods or services online they have you.

Point 4: With the use of these 'trackers' you don't even have to 'sign
up' and they have you, maybe not all of your details but enough to tie
*your* IP down, and from that look at your entire online footprint!

People need to stop the ostrich reflex, and wake up this is not a small
problem that affects the stupid and uninformed it affects the entire
world (or at least those 'fortunate' enough to have an online presence)
so subsistence farmers in some third world countries may be unaffected
as yet (maybe they're the lucky ones!).

Pete