Gnome replaces Unity

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Liam Proven schreef op 14-10-2017 19:47:

>> Ubuntu was something you could give to people.
> 
> Yup.
> 
>> I never liked Unity
> 
> Doesn't sit well with your previous comment.

I would not use Cinnamon either but for someone who doesn't do a great 
deal with a computer I think it would be better than KDE.

Let's qualify that by "give to people" I mean non-tech-savvy users like 
e.g. my father, he wouldn't care, in fact he would like Unity better 
than KDE I'm sure.

> Double-click the title bar to maximise.
> Right-click to minimise.

Right, does it have icons for that?

>> No Desktop Environment can do without minimizing.
> 
> I'm sure it could. Psion EPOC did OK, for instance.

Never heard of. Not really interested in stepping back to ancient 
history.


>> STICK TO WHAT WORKS.
> 
> Then there'd never be any progress.

Untrue.

Progress is inventing new things that work better, they haven't done 
that.

> I have discussed this with the dev team, and they deny it, but I think
> a primary driver was to be _un_like Windows and secondarily the Mac.

That's what I mean.

This means compromising what you actually like based on external 
factors.

> Remember that this was the time when Microsoft was threatening to sue
> the Linux world for copying the Windows desktop.
> 
> Which the Linux world had indeed done.
> 
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2013/06/03/thank_microsoft_for_linux_desktop_fail/

You're saying that KDE signed a deal and could continue to be 
Windows-like but Gnome didn't and had to depart?

Still sounds like it shouldn't have done enough on its own.

But I agree that the Windows model is basically the only way you can do 
a desktop. The Mac interface hardly diverges in my opinion.

>> The Gnome 3 people are pretty nice and more engaged or 
>> community-oriented
>> than the Kubuntu folk, less elitist in a way,
> 
> I've heard that. I find them very welcoming. I was at GUADEC last year
> and it was very interesting.
> 
>> I mean the Ubuntu Gnome people.... sorry.
> 
> Um.

I mean that the Ubuntu Gnome people were very welcoming.

The Gnome people I have heard different stories about (even from 
Torvalds and his diving application; that means the GTK people).

>> Cinnamon for me is the best-looking best-made desktop, just too 
>> limited
>> compared to KDE and with their own peculiar brand of weirdness called
>> reversing all dialog buttons.
> 
> The best-looking?
> 
> NeXTstep. Never bettered.

I don't know how you can call NeXTstep good looking in this day and age, 
but okay...

> I never even _noticed_ if dialog buttons moved. I change desktops all
> the time -- my desktop is a Mac, the laptops run Ubuntu, I work for a
> Linux company and I have spare boxes with Windows for things like
> phone-reflashing and VMware-server-wrangling.

That's odd. I never noticed anything different when I was testing MacOS.

The left-to-right stuff "OK"           "Cancel" --> Cinnamon has it 
reversed.

In three-dialog-panes (three buttons) when you have something like 
"Save" "Discard" and "Cancel" one of the buttons will be way to the left 
evading you as you are looking for it, and they are doing this on 
purpose because they think it is "better".

So I don't know how long you've used Cinnamon.

I've worked on it quite a bit.

And the stuff is deeply frustrating.