'Emacs style' delete line shortcut (CTRL/U) doesn't work correctly in Firefox

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On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:20 AM Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For instance my blind friends *all* use Windows. Too much of Linux is
> inaccessible and while macOS is good, sadly many apps aren't. E.g. Mac
> Office isn't as accessible as Windows Office.
>
I'll agree that most Linux distros have a long way to go to catch up
in this area.

> The web isn't very keyboard-accessible but ordinary operation is.
> There are even shortcuts invisible to sighted users: e.g. you can step
> from Start button, along the taskbar _and into the system tray and
> keyboard control the icons in there_ but I never found it as there are
> no visible clues to where you are.
>
A lot of these are also available in XFCE4 - I use Xubuntu almost
exclusively, and I routinely use the keyboard to do such things.

> You can open (Ctrl-O), move (alt-space, M), resize (alt-space, z),
> minimize (alt-space, n), maximize (alt-space, x), and close windows
> (alt-f4). You can show the desktop (win-m), run CLI apps (win-r), open
> Explorer (win-E), etc.
>
All of those and more are available in XFCE4, though not always the
exact same keys.

One of the things that hooked me into Xubuntu was that I can configure
the keys almost any way I like.  The biggest exception is when I run
any VM - it captures all the keystrokes, so the ones that work on my
desktop get intercepted by the VMs (when I'm actually in that screen).

> Win10 adds virtual desktops and I really value that. Not that I
> usually use Windows unless someone pays me to.
>
I presume these virtual desktops correspond at least roughly to Linux
workspaces. I don't use Windows enough to know. One of my favorite
features of all the Linux distros I use - they all have multiple
workspaces with full switching, including moving windows between the
workspaces.  I have dedicated key combinations to do that and to
switch between workspaces (not the same as the defaults that come with
the distros).

> Linux? Nobody much cares. There are some good efforts but they're
> underfunded and unfinished, like most of Linux. A few blind volunteer
> programmers can't force an industry to change.
>
Yes, and there are some that are better than others.

> GNOME 2 was quite accessible via Orca. GNOME 3 threw all that away as
> it threw a lot of stuff away and it's only slowly being put back,
> piecemeal.
>
XFCE4 still has all that with customization built in.

> Keyboard controls are great for people who can't see a small
> fast-moving thing like a mouse pointer or a cursor, but they benefit
> all of us.
>
Or those of us whose hands aren't quite as fine-motor-controlled they
used to be, and the mice have such high resolution that the slightest
nudge blasts half way across the screen.

> Oh, totally agreed. I mainly use Word 97 (under WINE) but Word 2003 is
> the latest I will use. I find Office 2007 and later to be totally
> unusable.
>
So you don't care for the ribbons either?  I find them to be the
ultimate dumb-down insult to anyone who uses computers on a regular
basis, even laymen who only do word processing or email or
spreadsheets.  LibreOffice is my suite unless I'm forced to use MSO,
and with that I have to say that LO is terrible with some things.  LO
docs with any special features (like a background image) do not
present right in MSO, though not vice-versa.  I modified a PowerPoint
in LO and it exploded from about 100k to 5 or 6 MB.  When I loaded it
in PowerPoint and saved it, it shrunk right back down.  I don't know
what LO does that causes it, but it's pretty bad.

> The snag is that  we now have middle-aged highly-skilled computer
> users who grew up with GUIs and have used nothing else. I have urged
> my close blind friend to learn the Linux shell and use it that way,
> but it's too alien to him. He's a Windows expert and *needs* menus.
>
> So we need accessible menus and GUIs that can be keyboard controlled.
>
Well put.

Cheers!

Mark Richter
Senior Staff Engineer
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