Anyone running Server on a Raspberry Pi 4?

[Liam Proven]

On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 at 12:21, Tom H <tomh0665 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> NetworkManager's developed under the Gnome umbrella, but it's
> independent (and welcomes criticism!).

Hmm. Well, IME, I find that the GNOME folk do _not_ welcome criticism
and are somewhat hostile to perceived outsiders.  I was at a GUADEC a
few years ago and it was very interesting.

> In Fedora and RHEL, NM's the default networking framework for non-X
> and X installations.

I did run RH in the mid-1990s but not any more. I worked for RH for a
while in 2014 and the GNOME culture is a reflection of RH culture. I
was somewhat appalled to find some of the restrictions and limitations
on RH's Anaconda installer, for instance -- and on taking these to the
developers I got a strong WONTFIX vibe. RH barely acknowledges that
other distros exist and designing an installer that can multi-boot
with other distros, let alone not be the first and default, is not
only an alien idea but one that they are actively hostile to.

So, no RH here. I have Debian, Devuan, Deepin, Zorin, Ubuntu, Mint and
various forms of openSUSE but no RH or related products. I
occasionally take a look to see if things have radically changed, but
I don't use it on anything.

FWIW openSUSE defaults to wicd for text-only installs, IME.

> In Ubuntu, installing NM installs some components useful for X
> installations only. I asked whether the dependencies could be reduced
> a few years ago and I was told "no." That's life :)

Um. Yes.

This is part of why I was so saddened by Ubuntu going back to GNOME... :(

> There was a company where I worked that ran RHEL, CentOS, and Ubuntu,
> and the IT manager wanted us to use NM everywhere. So I recompiled and
> packaged NM on Ubuntu to be less heavy. After six months, I was asked
> to start recompiling and packaging it with the "ifcfg-rh" plugin
> included so as to use Red Hat's ifcfg format on all servers. [ OT:
> Quite frankly, I don't understand why the "ifupdown" plugin's still
> packaged. I doubt that anyone uses it, and it can't handle anything
> but basic setups. ]

O_o

> > Pic from here: https://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/71093.html
>
> Thanks :)

Heh. Welcome.


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