Questions about Linux Mint and this list

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,

Am Montag, dem 18.07.2022 um 09:52 -0700 schrieb Dave Stevens via
ubuntu-users:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:39:20 -0500
> Aaron Rainbolt <arraybolt3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > at first glance, this might seem silly
> 
> it doesn't seem silly, it seems like censorship. 

quite the contrary ... mint (in the past that is, it seems they reduced
this habit) re-built essential libraries with ABI-incompatible patches
without bumping the versions of the binary packages ... if you do
something like this *witout re-building the dependingg apps* (i.e. the
whole reverse dependencies in the archive) you introduce bugs in
depending packages that come from teh ubuntu archive and expect a
certain ABI behaviour for a certain function call...

mint did also for several years patch the ubuntu installer in broken
ways which caused 100s of bugs for us maintaining the installer and
without any notice about the fact that this was a modified version it
burned probably a year of manhours of devs trying to chase down why our
installer mis-behaves since mint came into existece ...

doing a downstream and out-of-archive distro is fine, as long as you
make sure that changes you make to any binary are actually picked up by
depending packages or at least do not encourage users to then use the
ubuntu archive with your hacked up install. 

i.e. cinnamon has for years required heavy patches to GTK that neither
upstream nor ubuntu itself wanted to accept due to their intrusiveness
(which is one of the reasons it took so many years for cinnamon to show
up in the ubuntu archive at all) ...

launchpad nowadays auto-rejects bugs from mint users due to the above
and asks them to submit them somewhere in mints development chain
instead ... 

there is no way for anyone in ubuntu to predict what mint did or does
to the packages they modify and install by default, nor is there any
way to support them.

this list os for ubuntu support where packages and bugs are
preductable, changes done are well documented and known and bugs can be
verified and tracked via launchpad ...

while i'm sure nobody minds the occasional mint user question and we
all are here to help, this is an ubuntu suppoort list focusing on
exactly this, with unpredictable and unknown changes there is simply no
proper way to know if a behaviour is desired or a bug, wether it is
introduced by a mint change or by an interaction with a mint change or
if it is actually an ubuntu issue ... 


ciao
	oli
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