Does somebody use both, current Intel and AMD tower PCs?

[Robert Heller]

At Sun, 19 Mar 2023 04:10:15 +0800 "Ubuntu user technical support,? not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:

> 
> On 19/3/23 03:45, Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users wrote:
> > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 02:49 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> >> Intel Xeon E5-2660
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > 8 cores, 95 W is too much.
> > 
> > I have to make compromises when it comes to power consumption.
> > I'm looking for an ATX full size tower, but computer performance when
> > using a hypervisor and power consumption should be similar to an iPad
> > Pro not using a hypervisor. It's ok, if the PC doe consume more power
> > than a tablet, but it at least should be below 90 W.
> > 
> >> New computers here, are mostly junk
> > 
> > I buy the individual parts and assemble my computers myself.
> > 
> > IIUC you prefer Intel over AMD, but your hardware is dated.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
> > 
> 
> With the particular computer, I believe that, when I bought it, within 
> (I think) the last six months), the package for the price, was very good 
> value for money. Whilst the hardware may be dated, it is far more 
> powerful, and, with more resources, than what is currently available 
> here, in new personal computers, which tend now to come with 4GB RAM and 
> 64GB storage.
> 
> Regarding the Intel/AMD perception, I understand that Linux has had a 
> problem with drives for AMD CPU's or AMD GPU's.
> 
> I understand that (I think, from an article recently in The Register) 
> AMD has now left Intel behind, in CPU processing power, like I believe 
> that, when it was in fashion, the Mig 29 fighter-bomber was untouchable, 
> as no other country had a fighter-bomber that could compete with it.
> 
> Here in Australia, Intel means Wintel, as new computers with either no 
> operating system installed, or, with Linux installed, are simply not 
> available, from my understanding, so people buying new computers, have a 
> choice of excessively priced Mac computers, or window boxes.
> 
> Whilst in advanced countries, Dell computers, and other brands of new 
> computers,  are available with Linux preinstalled, this is Australia, a 
> few decades behind the rest of the world (where, if we ever get to 
> launch Australian space rockets, the feral parliament will probably try 
> to make them coal fired steam engine powered, and, similarly, if 
> Australia ever develops InterContinental Ballistic Missiles - they will 
> likely leave a trail of coal smoke - that is why the first military aid 
> sent from Australia to the Ukraine, was shiploads of coal, so the 
> Ukrainian soldiers could throw lumps of coal at the russian soldiers).

Actually, for the most part OEMs in the US mostly/only sell MS-Windows desktop
boxes. Yes, one can get Linux or "FreeDos" machines from Dell and maybe some
other OEMs, but these are generally burried deep in their websites and/or only
offered to businesses, and pretty much not available at storefronts like
Walmart or Best Buy, etc. Australia is not really "unique" here. The new OEM
market for *desktop* computers is pretty much MacOSX (from Apple) or
MS-Windows (all the other major OEMs). And in any case, buying a non-Apple OEM
machine means paying the M$ tax, even when MS-Windows is not actually
installed on it.  About the only segment of the "OEM" market with Linux 
pre-installed [sort of] is the ARM SBC world -- eg variously flavored Pis 
(Raspberry, Orange, Banana, Rock, etc.) and things like HK's Odroids (a HK 
Odroid M1 with a MVE SSD makes a great little desktop machine).


> 
> So, whilst the hardware of this computer, may be dated, it is more 
> powerful, has more resources, and, is more advanced, than what are sold 
> as new personal computers in Australia, which are what are rejected by 
> the other countries.
> 
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..............
> 
> 

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