Does somebody use both, current Intel and AMD tower PCs?

[Liam Proven]

On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 16:49, Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users
<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
>
> one of my mobos was equipped with an onboard ATI. The available ATI
> driver for Linux supported the ATI card, excepted of the onboard
> variant. Apart from this the ATI drivers only worked with dedicated
> versions of xorg.

Dedicated, no. Very specific versions, yes. I had a really nice
Toshiba Satellite Pro A200 (I think -- discussed often on this list,
up to ~10 years ago.) It needed AMD `fglrx` binary drivers. AMD
relegated them to legacy status and stopped supporting them. My card
lost acceleration with Ubuntu 12.04-1 and by 12.04-2 the Xorg version
was no longer supported. I remember very clearly when it stopped
working, as you can see.

But by 14.04 it worked fine, with full acceleration, using the FOSS
`radeon` driver.

> Intel GPU drivers are FLOSS, too.

Yes they are. But they are not very good GPUs. I don't care, because I
am not a gamer, but for 3D intensive stuff they are poor, even if
integrated and effectively free of charge to owners.

I can't comment on realtime and audio, because I don't do it and never have.

> I can't comment on AMD nowadays, formerly named ATI.

That is the key point here. AMD bought ATI and some time afterwards, I
think AMD management realised that a key competitive edge was FOSS
Linux drivers. So since ATI graphics have come built into AMD
processors, the Linux driver support has got better than it was in the
old days when ATI was an independent company. Nowadays the FOSS
`radeon` driver works well and supports all the fancy hardware
accelerated stuff.

> Is it really this way nowadays? On paper my old cheap AMD CPUs were
> better than cheap Intel CPUs, but I never was able to get a reliable low
> cost real-time machine with any of those CPUs. When I migrated to the
> cheap Intel Celeron I got my first reliable real-time machine.

I personally detest the Celeron and Dual Core and recommend everyone
against them. Their CPU performance is poor and they're rotten value
for money. Upgradability does not matter because normal users never do
it.

You are _the only_ person I have ever encountered on the Internet who
likes and recommends them.

There may be all sorts of weird niche stuff about motherboard chipsets
and kernel optimizations that affect R/T and audio stuff that are
important to you, so I am not telling you you're wrong, but one person
against lots of direct personal and professional experience does not
sway  me.

I think they are bad. Bad products, bad value, a bad product line as a whole.

I am happy for you if you like them and are happy with them, but
frankly, even if someone came to me and sought recommendations for a
machine for music making, on Linux, on a budget, I'd tell them to buy
an old Xeon workstation or something, but never ever a Celeron to
anyone. i3 at a push if they are on a tight budget, but never ever one
of those crippled junkware chips.

> In Australia it's probably the same as in Germany. You can get machines
> with Linux installed, but you can't get one by supermarkets such as ALDI
> or by consumer electronics stores such as Saturn you get machines with
> freakish hardware, for example

Oh, sure, yes, absolutely.

Although Germany has Tuxedo Computers, of course.

> Does Kingston provide a Linux tool for the SSD you can run from Ubuntu?

Probably not. Does anyone really need it?


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