[xubuntu-users] you have got to be kidding me

Tue Jun 12 14:09:29 UTC 2012

On 06/12/2012 12:16 AM, Greg Zeng wrote:
> "nVidea is known to be problematic"
>
> In my stupidity (reading forums only), this what I thought too.  My
> systems have AMD and/ or integrated Intel CPU-GPU.  My 'buntu-based
> distros easy scales on my non-Nvidia hardware to 2D-1080p.
>
> Trouble starts when I try the 3D&  other speedier upgrades.  Various
> AMD/ Radeon drivers 'upgrades' usually fail, perform poorly and/ or
> buggy.  Visiting the AMD site, they loudly acknowledge this.  On
> related forums, the problem is that few if any hardware designers will
> consider PC-Linux optimization.  Linux PCs are the one-per-cent
> losers.
>
> Until Linux coders (generally unpaid or poorly paid persons) get
> better organized, synchronizing their efforts instead of re-inventing
> crazy, incompetent clones, then Linux PCs (not servers) will be the
> low-grade, incompetents that they are now.
>
> I use 'buntu 99% of my time.  Essential, extremely uniquely valuable
> stuff is Win7-64 for me.  One-per-cent genius, 99% boring tedium.  I
> want 'buntu success, but Linux lacks proper organization for the
> masses.  Mass markets demand that the Marketing Department is THE BOSS
> of the organization.  Linux PC == Anarchy.  "-(
>
> On 6/12/12, Ryan Gauger<rtgkid at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Just wanted to clear up a little confusion here: science doesn't prove
>> anything. Scientists do. And let me add to what you said: scientists try to
>> prove that there is no God, but how can one believe there is no God, while
>> everything is PERFECT? Nobody can tell me that I am just an accident, and
>> that I was created so perfectly and everything functions perfectly, out of
>> an explosion? :)
>>
>> Now, let me add to the discussion here: Yes, nVidea is known to be
>> problematic, and that is why I do not recommend computers with it. I am
>> sure that installing the correct drivers will work. I am also sure this is
>> not an operating system bug. But as you stated, all operating systems
>> contain at least one bug. Even Windows and Mac OS X contain bugs. I have
>> seen some (well, a lot, actually) in Windows 8 Release Preview. I am sure
>> that Ubuntu/Xubuntu contains bugs (because I have found them), but an error
>> connecting between hardware and software is not a software-related issue
>> (it kind of is, but is not considered a bug). Thanks!
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Greg Zeng<gregzeng at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Love all you Abrahamites:  ONE&  ONLY ONE "PERFECT" TRUTH ... TRUE-WAY
>>> .... OPERATING-SYSTEM.
>>>
>>> The god(s) call it "intelligent designer(s)".  The most famous Xtian
>>> minister on the planet (Charles Darwin) suggested that evolution shows
>>> us that everything might be ALPHAWARE.
>>>
>>> Human, god(s), "intelligent designer(s)" ... only ever create
>>> alphaware.   Can anyone prove us wrong?  IMO all operating systems of
>>> every kind IS BUGGY, especially when exposed to unpredictable
>>> environments.  Haven't been in "heaven" yet ... but science might
>>> prove us wrong.  Our theories are not "The One-&-Only Truth".  Just
>>> theory.
>>>
>>> Silly scientist - us.
>>>
>>> On 6/12/12, Ric Moore<wayward4now at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>> On 06/10/2012 08:09 AM, Joshua O'Leary wrote:
>>>>> Nvidia are known to be problematic.
>>>> Not that I've ever encountered. It's the treatment of the driver by the
>>>> driver packagers that has been a problem, like with Fedora ppa's that
>>>> couldn't agree among themselves as how to properly install it, that was
>>>> remedied by installing the driver run file directly from nVidia. That
>>>> cured the problem.
>>>>
>>>> nVidia has treated us pretty well, during times that not everyone else
>>>> did. Give the devil his due. Ric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say:
>>>> "There are two Great Sins in the world...
>>>> ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.
>>>> Only the former may be overcome." R.I.P. Dad.
>>>> http://linuxcounter.net/user/44256.html
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>> --
>> ---Ryan
>>
I'm not trying to correct you in a mean way - this is in a good way. 
Linux is the kernel in which a lot of different distributions (operating 
systems) sit on and work off of. Ubuntu has nothing in common with 
openSUSE or Fedora except for sharing the same kernel, Linux. So when 
you hear someone say "Fedora" or "openSUSE", you can understand that 
they have nothing to do with Ubuntu. This is most likely (99%) 
Ubuntu/Xubuntu's problem, not Linux's. I just wanted to clear this up so 
that you would not not try Fedora or any other distributions because you 
think the bug is in there. I didn't know the difference between the 
distribution and the kernel either when I first started using Ubuntu. 
Since Xubuntu works without the extra 3D drivers to work with AMD (I 
have AMD also), I suggest not installing them. Actually, in my 
experience with the drivers, they don't enhance functionality (in Unity 
at least) at all. If anything, they degrade the functionality, not add 
to it. Thanks!