[15.04 64Bit]-Stop Complaining About It...

[David Lang]

On Sat, 16 May 2015, Felix Miata wrote:

> David Lang composed on 2015-05-16 17:01 (UTC-0700):
>
>> I actually don't like Fedora because they are more interested in experimenting
>> with things that keeping them usable for the users. I use Ubuntu instead of
>> Debian because Debian doesn't update frequently enough (without going to sid
>> with all the disadvantages of Fedora). Ubuntu's 6 month cycle of tested,
>> reliable releases has been a good middle ground. But if Kubuntu is redefining
>> this, I don't see where it fits. If you are happy with 2+ year release cycles,
>> use Debian. If you want bleeding edge, use Fedora. What niche is Kubuntu trying
>> to fill if the non-LTS releases are supposed to be treated as bleeding edge?
>
> I doubt Kubuntu was or is trying to emulate Fedora. Most likely 15.04 got KF5
> because upstream KDE announced KDE4 support would terminate before release of
> 15.10, and upstream asserted KF5 to be good enough to replace KDE4. That left
> the Kubuntu packagers with two poor choices for 15.04, knowing most users
> could be satisfied sticking with 14.10 or 14.04LTS instead of jumping into
> latest.

That would be one thing, but the attitude I've been seeing here of "If you want 
stable use LTS" or "If you insist on running cutting edge you are going to 
bleed" or "if you don't like it, go back to windows" are far more reflective of 
the Fedora attitude than "upstream is forcing this" (although I did see a couple 
people say that the reason was that upstream support for 16.04 was the issue)

Whenever the switch from 4 to 5 happened, there would be some things not yet 
possible on the new version compared to the old version, but some of the things 
that made it through a pretty significant, and were reported prior to the 
release (and the response I saw of "too bad, we're past the freeze cutoff" also 
show what I see as a poor attitude. The reason for the freeze isn't to say "no 
more changes", it's to catch things like this so they can be fixed. If they 
can't be fixed you need to either hold off on the release, or revert to the 
prior version that didn't have the problem.

David Lang