[15.04 64Bit]-Stop Complaining About It...

[David Lang]

On Sat, 16 May 2015, David Lang wrote:

> On Sat, 16 May 2015, Felix Miata wrote:
>
>> David Lang composed on 2015-05-16 17:01 (UTC-0700):
>> 
>>> I actually don't like Fedora because they are more interested in 
>>> experimenting with things that keeping them usable for the users. I use 
>>> Ubuntu instead of Debian because Debian doesn't update frequently enough 
>>> (without going to sid with all the disadvantages of Fedora). Ubuntu's 6 
>>> month cycle of tested, reliable releases has been a good middle ground. But 
>>> if Kubuntu is redefining this, I don't see where it fits. If you are happy 
>>> with 2+ year release cycles, use Debian. If you want bleeding edge, use 
>>> Fedora. What niche is Kubuntu trying to fill if the non-LTS releases are 
>>> supposed to be treated as bleeding edge?
>> 
>> I doubt Kubuntu was or is trying to emulate Fedora. Most likely 15.04 got KF5 
>> because upstream KDE announced KDE4 support would terminate before release of 
>> 15.10, and upstream asserted KF5 to be good enough to replace KDE4. That left 
>> the Kubuntu packagers with two poor choices for 15.04, knowing most users 
>> could be satisfied sticking with 14.10 or 14.04LTS instead of jumping into 
>> latest.
>
> That would be one thing, but the attitude I've been seeing here of "If you 
> want stable use LTS" or "If you insist on running cutting edge you are going 
> to bleed" or "if you don't like it, go back to windows" are far more 
> reflective of the Fedora attitude than "upstream is forcing this" (although I 
> did see a couple people say that the reason was that upstream support for 
> 16.04 was the issue)
>
> Whenever the switch from 4 to 5 happened, there would be some things not yet 
> possible on the new version compared to the old version, but some of the 
> things that made it through a pretty significant, and were reported prior to 
> the release (and the response I saw of "too bad, we're past the freeze 
> cutoff" also show what I see as a poor attitude. The reason for the freeze 
> isn't to say "no more changes", it's to catch things like this so they can be 
> fixed. If they can't be fixed you need to either hold off on the release, or 
> revert to the prior version that didn't have the problem.

In case I'm not clear, it's not that I expect perfection, but when problems do 
show up, the response to the people reporting the problem can either make things 
better or worse. For the 15.04 release, the responses have been making things 
worse. Blaming users for upgrading to a standard release is a really bad 
approach to take.

David Lang