New roles in the Ubuntu IRC team

[Matt Darcy]

On 10/27/2011 07:26 PM, Juha Siltala wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have little to add at this point; I continue to support Jussi's idea.
> This really doesn't require any big change in our structure, we're
> simply asking for help as we cannot take care of the constantly growing
> workload.
>
> Thanks,
> Juha



What work load ?

what are the tasks that are taking up the time ?

What are the blockers that stop items getting actioned ?

Is this real life blockers, or IRC work load blockers ?

The idea of champions is not an issue, as someone has pointed out, this 
already gets done,

I know Jussi's just raised the item of out of date factoids, yes they 
are out of date, but they are also getting fixed as they go long, and we 
even go to the point of writing new wiki pages when old ones are no 
longer valid - or when the official documentation team don't write the 
documentation for a new release or don't maintain parts of the wiki that 
are release specific.


The champion idea is already in place....unofficially, the issue is that 
no-one can do anything about it.

Found a channel that's not correct/being abused....that champion has to 
report it to the IRCC.....then it black holes.

Got a process that needs rubber stamping, that champion can write the 
process, get everyone onboard, send it to the IRCC it black holes.

Got an issue with a process that's not working, that champion can list 
the concerns, give alternatives, get opinions from the others, it then 
has to go to the IRCC - it black holes, or even worse as is common, gets 
ignored like it never happened and the band march on leaving the 
champion and all the people who have had input to it wondering what just 
happened and what the point of doing anything is.


I think you're seeing a common thread here......the black hole.

It's not that people don't want to do something/can't do something, 
people ARE doing things, people ARE trying to do exactly what you've 
outlined, I don't see how making this yet "another" official process 
will change the black hole issue.


I fully support the idea of people doing things, because it's already 
happening, or has already happened and black holed so often that people 
don't see the point of doing things any more as it appears to go 
no-where (I'm sure you can guess, I'm sat in that camp).

If you can explain how this process of officially making champions will 
change the black hole problem, I think you'd get a lot of people back on 
board with the concept and give a little more encouragement to the 
people who are already behind the idea.

Matt