Accessing Usenet News Groups

[AV3]

On Jul/23/2012 4:5351 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
> On 22/07/12 12:47, AV3 wrote:
>> On Jul/21/2012 3:5859 PM, Robert Holtzm wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 10:41:51AM -0400, AV3 wrote:
>>>
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ........snip........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a well-moderated newsgroup a moderator maintains minimally polite
>>>> relevance. Recently in one such newsgroup, an arrogant teenager
>>>> making snide comments and announcing himself a member of the
>>>> development group was publicly reproached and probably privately
>>>> told to restrict his comments and claims, because his subsequent
>>>> contributions were fewer and quite modest. Hopefully, moderation
>>>> will make him a better adult.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Often a moderator will announce the closing of a thread that has
>>>> become irrelevant to the group description by off-topic or impolite
>>>> discussion. The moderator(s) performs a difficult and time-consuming
>>>> task out of loyalty to the group and topic.
>>>
>>> What you're referring to are mailing lists, not newsgroups. You're
>>> reading the lists on gmane using T'bird in NNTP mode. The tip off should
>>> be the address you sent your post to: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com.
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
>>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ^^^^^
>>
>>
>> Pardon my ignorance. I thought message groups exchanged messages by
>> e-mail. To access those messages I subscribe to message groups run by
>> organizations and interest groups I belong to. I was a moderator for
>> one such Yahoogroup. Various groups send me contributions to the group
>> or summaries, as I request.
>>
>>
>> The full name for my access to gmane is news.gmane.org, and I access
>> it through T-bird newsgroups. Its messages are only to be read by news
>> applications like T-bird and MT-Newswatcher on my Mac. That is true
>> for a number of nntp and news lists I subscribe to. There is an iPad
>> application, too, but I am only experimenting with using it. I think
>> there is a gmane-message-group, but I have had no occasion to visit
>> gmane's web page, if there is one.
>>
>>
>> Both species of messages can be accessed by browser on-line in
>> archives. I believe that is an alternative way of participating,
>> certainly for Yahoogroups. Browser reading and posting merges the two
>> species.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> BTW, I well remember the obnoxious adolescent you mentioned. Don't
>>> remember what list he polluted but he was roasted in short order. His
>>> posts became a lot more acceptable thereafter.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I was being coy. This was the list, and it was my way of thanking the
>> hard-working, self-sacrificing moderator(s) concerned.
>
> /quote
>
> Gmane (pronounced "mane") is an e-mail to news gateway. It allows users
> to access electronic mailing lists as if they were Usenet newsgroups,
> and also through a variety of web interfaces. Gmane is an archive; it
> never expires messages (unless explicitly requested by users). Gmane
> also supports importing list postings made prior to a list's inclusion
> on the service.
>
> /unquote
>
> Note the statement that, "... Gmane is an archive."
>
> However, the most interesting part about this, ubuntu users mail list is
> what is found here:
>
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.user
>
> where is shows that ubuntu, unlike any other mail list which I have
> belonged to, allows any Tom, Dick, and Harry to post to the list (this
> list) without having to first subscribe to it - and which, to me at
> least, means that nobody who is accessing this list can be thrown off
> because they don't appear on the subscription list. In order
> words...Moderators: pphhhtttttt! and "up yours!"
>
> Here is the bit which shows this, "Status posting allowed".
>
> And which is why, AV3, you are posting here thru gmane.
>


news.gmane.org is more versatile than news groups, but in Thunderbird it 
functions like pure newsgroups news.sunsite.dk and news.aioe.org, to 
which I subscribe in exactly the same manner. As a very infrequent 
contributor (I have lost the ability to install Ubuntu on a partition of 
my MacBookPro5,3), I just had to respond to an e-mail request from gmane 
to confirm my existence in order to have the right to post. I suppose 
that demand came from an automaton, not a human moderator.


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