nouveau going off the deep end...

[Robert Heller]

At Mon, 20 Jun 2022 14:56:02 +0200 "Ubuntu user technical support,? not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 at 14:39, Robert Heller <heller at deepsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> > I can ps, kill processes, (including X), but when I kill X, I just get the
> > kernel messages from the nouveau module.  /sbin/reboot just hangs.  I'm
> > guessing that the kernel is too busy with the nouveau messages to deal with
> > shutting down.
> 
> Strange.
> 
> You didn't answer my next question:
> 
> > > Does Ctrl-Alt-Del on the console work?

I just did Alt-SysRq reisub, but no, Ctrl-Alt-*anything* did not work.  Always 
the first thing I try.

> 
> Note that hitting it 7 times in quick succession sends a special "I
> really mean it, DO IT!" signal.
> 
> > Then I would have the add hassle of having to recompiling everytime I update
> > the kernel.
> 
> No you don't. You just install `dkms` and it happens for you. No
> interaction needed, adds a minute or so to update installation time
> _only_ the first time after a kernel update.

OK, this is new (to me).  I remember the "old days" of dealing with NVIDIA 
video being a hassle.  *I* don't really need any of the "nifty" features of 
the NVIDIA chipset anyway.  I only have a NVIDIA video because all of the AMD 
motherboards I looked at had NVIDIA, like it or not.  *I* would have prefered 
a *simple* Intel video chipset, but I wanted a (cheaper) AMD processor.

> 
> > I am using a customized MATE desktop -- I using fvwm as the window manager,
> > disabled caja (file manager), don't use the mate menus.
> 
> Um. That is very curious. I mean, without the window manager, file
> manager (which controls the actual desktop), and "the menus" (not sure
> what you mean there, but I am taking a wild guess that you mean the
> desktop panels?) then there isn't really anything much of MATE *left*.

Just one panel, plus the under-the-hood stuff (dbus and gvfs daemons).  *I* 
loath the "Start Menu" clonage.  I have no use for file icons all over the 
place -- I have process icons in a FVWM icon box.

> 
> In which case, why pick MATE at all?

It is much like Gnome2, which I know how to "deal" with.  I have as a 
back-burner project of building my own from the ground up Desktop Manager, 
without all of the crap "modern" Desktop Manager include (which I don't want 
or need).

> 
> "I'm using a Ford, but I've replaced the chassis, engine, transmission
> and body" -- well what's left then?

Poor analogy.  

> 
> Sounds to me like you use FVWM. Maybe with some MATE accessories occasionally.

Yes, I like FVWM -- simple and easy to configure the way I like, and yes a few
Gnome2/Mate panel accessories. FVWM has a MWM mode, which is what I "learned"
GUI on. I use my own home-grown "menu manager/session manager" thing, which is
like the one shipped with DECWindows back when DEC was still alive and making
VAXStations running VMS with DECWindows (aka X11 with Motif). 

> 
> FVWM does not use any kind of window compositing functionality, AFAIK.

Yes, and that is a good thing.

> 

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