[xubuntu-users] Frequent loss of xmodmap settings
Victor Forberger
vforberger at fastmail.fm
Tue Dec 9 15:37:46 UTC 2025
On 12/9/25 08:24, Cody Smith wrote:
> That seems to be the most likely problem. Is there a way to get logs or
> run xmodmap from a terminal? either of those would probably be your best
> bet at figuring out what's going on with it.
>
> -c_smith
>
Following up on Cody's advice: Jeff look to how to examine log files for
frequent and recurring errors:
https://linuxatty.wordpress.com/2024/08/15/frequent-and-recurring-errors-in-log-files/
-Victor
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2025 at 6:10 AM Jeffery Small <jeff at cjsa.com
> <mailto:jeff at cjsa.com>> wrote:
>
> Cody Smith <cody.smith at ubuntu.com <mailto:cody.smith at ubuntu.com>>
> writes:
>
> >Just because packages were pulled in for Wayland on top of X11
> doesn't mean
> >Wayland is in use at al on XFCEl. Wayland isn't like x Wayland,
> you can't
> >stack Wayland on top of X11, that's a design decision
>
> >C_smith
>
> I understand. Then someting else on the system is messing with the
> xmodmap
> settings. There must be some component of the OS, or some app, that is
> responsible. I have not been able to identify any repeatable pattern of
> actions taken that is triggering the problem. So far it just seems
> to occur
> randomly.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Jeff
>
> >On Mon, Dec 8, 2025, 6:19=E2=80=AFPM Jeffery Small <jeff at cjsa.com
> <mailto:jeff at cjsa.com>> wrote:
>
> >> Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com <mailto:lproven at gmail.com>> writes:
> >>
> >> >On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 at 17:31, Jeffery Small <jeff at cjsa.com
> <mailto:jeff at cjsa.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> the consensus seems to be that it is Wayland that
> >> >> is causing the problem.
> >>
> >> >I think they are wrong.
> >>
> >> >Xubuntu does not use Wayland... Because Xfce does not use Wayland.
> >>
> >> >There is _experimental_ support for labwc with Xfce but I only
> know of
> >> >the latest openSUSE using it so far. It is definitely not in
> Xubuntu
> >> >Noble.
> >>
> >> >--
> >> >Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven <https://
> about.me/liamproven> ~ LinkedIn/X/FB:
> >> lproven
> >> >Email: lproven at cix.co.uk <mailto:lproven at cix.co.uk> ~ Google:
> lproven at gmail.com <mailto:lproven at gmail.com>
> >> >IoM: (+44) 7624 227612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884
> >> >Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
> >>
> >> Liam:
> >>
> >> I understand that Xfce4 doesn't use Wayland, but the following
> packages
> >> have been pulled in by something over time:
> >>
> >> kwayland-data
> >> kwayland-integration
> >> libkf5waylandclient5
> >> libnvidia-egl-wayland1
> >> libqt5waylandclient5
> >> libqt5waylandcompositor5
> >> libqt6waylandclient6
> >> libqt6waylandcompositor6
> >> libqt6waylandeglclienthwintegration6
> >> libqt6waylandeglcompositorhwintegration6
> >> libva-wayland2
> >> libwayland-client0
> >> libwayland-cursor0
> >> libwayland-egl1
> >> libwayland-server0
> >> qt6-wayland
> >> qtwayland5
> >> wayland-protocols
> >>
> >> I'm not saying that Wayland proper is running, but I do wonder
> if some
> >> other program is using Wayland components in some way. And I'm
> not even
> >> saying that I have any clue that Wayland is involved at all;
> that's just
> >> what other have mentioned when I tried to research this problem.
> >>
> >> In any case, other people are also experiencing the same thing
> and if
> >> anyone
> >> does have any ideas, I'd be interested in hearing them.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> --
> >> Jeffery Small
> >>
> >> --
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> ><div dir=3D"auto">Just because packages were pulled in for Wayland
> on top o=
> >f X11 doesn't mean Wayland is in use at al on XFCEl. Wayland
> isn't =
> >like x Wayland, you can't stack Wayland on top of X11,
> that's a des=
> >ign decision=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div
> dir=3D"auto">C_smith</di=
> >v></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div
> dir=3D"lt=
> >r" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 8, 2025, 6:19=E2=80=AFPM
> Jeffery Small =
> ><<a href=3D"mailto:jeff at cjsa.com
> <mailto:jeff at cjsa.com>">jeff at cjsa.com <mailto:jeff at cjsa.com></a>>
> wrote:<br></div>=
> ><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0
> 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
> >x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Liam Proven <<a
> href=3D"mailto:lproven at gm <mailto:lproven at gm>=
> >ail.com <http://ail.com>" target=3D"_blank"
> rel=3D"noreferrer">lproven at gmail.com <mailto:lproven at gmail.com></
> a>> wri=
> >tes:<br>
> ><br>
> >>On Tue, 2 Dec 2025 at 17:31, Jeffery Small <<a
> href=3D"mailto:jeff at c <mailto:jeff at c>=
> >jsa.com <http://jsa.com>" target=3D"_blank"
> rel=3D"noreferrer">jeff at cjsa.com <mailto:jeff at cjsa.com></a>> wrote:<=
> >br>
> ><br>
> >>> the consensus seems to be that it is Wayland that<br>
> >>> is causing the problem.<br>
> ><br>
> >>I think they are wrong.<br>
> ><br>
> >>Xubuntu does not use Wayland... Because Xfce does not use
> Wayland.<br>
> ><br>
> >>There is _experimental_ support for labwc with Xfce but I only
> know of<=
> >br>
> >>the latest openSUSE using it so far. It is definitely not in
> Xubuntu<br=
> >>
> >>Noble.<br>
> ><br>
> >>-- <br>
> >>Liam Proven ~ Profile: <a href=3D"https://about.me/liamproven
> <https://about.me/liamproven>" rel=3D"n=
> >oreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://about.me/
> liamproven <https://about.me/liamproven></a> ~ L=
> >inkedIn/X/FB: lproven<br>
> >>Email: <a href=3D"mailto:lproven at cix.co.uk
> <mailto:lproven at cix.co.uk>" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
> >referrer">lproven at cix.co.uk <mailto:lproven at cix.co.uk></a> ~
> Google: <a href=3D"mailto:lproven at gmail.c <mailto:lproven at gmail.c>=
> >om" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">lproven at gmail.com
> <mailto:lproven at gmail.com></a><br>
> >>IoM: (+44) 7624 227612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884<br>
> >>Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053<br>
> ><br>
> >Liam:<br>
> ><br>
> >I understand that Xfce4 doesn't use Wayland, but the following
> packages=
> ><br>
> >have been pulled in by something over time:<br>
> ><br>
> >kwayland-data<br>
> >kwayland-integration<br>
> >libkf5waylandclient5<br>
> >libnvidia-egl-wayland1<br>
> >libqt5waylandclient5<br>
> >libqt5waylandcompositor5<br>
> >libqt6waylandclient6<br>
> >libqt6waylandcompositor6<br>
> >libqt6waylandeglclienthwintegration6<br>
> >libqt6waylandeglcompositorhwintegration6<br>
> >libva-wayland2<br>
> >libwayland-client0<br>
> >libwayland-cursor0<br>
> >libwayland-egl1<br>
> >libwayland-server0<br>
> >qt6-wayland<br>
> >qtwayland5<br>
> >wayland-protocols<br>
> ><br>
> >I'm not saying that Wayland proper is running, but I do wonder
> if some<=
> >br>
> >other program is using Wayland components in some way.=C2=A0 And
> I'm no=
> >t even<br>
> >saying that I have any clue that Wayland is involved at all;
> that's jus=
> >t<br>
> >what other have mentioned when I tried to research this problem.<br>
> ><br>
> >In any case, other people are also experiencing the same thing and
> if anyon=
> >e<br>
> >does have any ideas, I'd be interested in hearing them.<br>
> ><br>
> >Regards,<br>
> >--<br>
> >Jeffery Small<br>
> ><br>
--
--
Victor Forberger
vforberger at fastmail.fm
blog: http://linuxatty.wordpress.com
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