Going nuts on Nepomuk

[O. Sinclair]

On 28/06/2010 10:22, Reinhold Rumberger wrote:
> On Monday 28 June 2010, O. Sinclair wrote:
>> On 25/06/2010 16:47, Valter Mura wrote:
>>> In data venerdì 25 giugno 2010 13:35:01, O. Sinclair ha scritto:
>>>> Every time I boot I have to start Strigi manually, first I get
>>>> a message "Strigi service failed to initialize,
>>>> most likely due to an installation problem."
>
> Strigi is completely independent of Nepomuk and KDE in general.
> Nepomuk just uses it like any browser may use a web server. And like
> you would (hopefully) not blame server configuration errors on the
> browser, you shouldn't blame Nepomuk for your incorrectly configured
> Strigi. (You *do* have the strigi-daemon package installed, don't
> you?)
>
>>>> It then starts and seemingly starts to index but no tag or such
>>>> things exist in Dolphin and every time I reboot I come back to
>>>> the same scenario.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas, I can not find any info on how to trace if Nepomuk
>>>> even works...
>
> Simple: if you're able to tag files in dolphin, Nepomuk works...
> Also, if it doesn't cause some error popup, that's a strong
> indication that it works...
>
>>>> or where any logs might be or even so much as a
>>>> FAQ "out there"
>>>>
>>>> Sinclair, somewhat longing back to 9.10 "stable"
>>
>> After MUCH searching I have a bad feeling that installing
>> openoffice Base that pulls in Sun Java and removes OpenJava (or
>> whatever it is called) is the problem. As it seems that strigi
>> backend virtouos or soprano or whatever it is called depends on
>> java. Possibly.
>
> That's not the/a problem.
>
>> seriously, I am consider backing down to 9.10 and stay there until
>> KDE SC 4 or 5 or something becomes stable and just not ambitious
>
> It is rather stable, the main problem now is that not all apps have
> (fully) transitioned to the new framework...
> Also, in the case of Akonadi, there's a serious lack of testing.
>
> <snip rant>
>
>> However, sorry for the rant but can we (read the developers and
>> maintainers) focus on stability and functionality for a while
>> before dreaming up new innovations that noone uses?
>
> You're seemingly confusing Kubuntu, KDE and the kernel. KDE has
> nothing to do with the kernel, and they haven't done much innovating
> since KDE 4.3. The last few releases had their main focus on
> stability and Look&Feel - Kubuntu fucking up the configuration can't
> be blamed on KDE and isn't a reason for them to stop development.
>
>> I support and maintain around 150 users mixed WindowsXP, Windows7,
>> Kubuntu 8.04 and 9.10. NO USER sits and tags/rates their files or
>> use any computer search engine. Mostly they use
>> wordprocessing/spreadsheets, email software, internet browsing,
>> listen to music and edit a photo now and then. 3G USB modems are
>> increasingly becoming the normal way to connect outside
>> offices/hotels.
>
> They don't need Nepomuk then, do they now? Maybe you should simply
> disable it and save yourself some system resources while you're about
> it...
>
> <snipping COM rant>
>
> Akonadi, DBUS, HAL and all the other innovations aren't like COM at
> all. You're comparing comparing apples with cow dung here... :-P
>
>    --Reinhold
>
Well - I agree with you that I confuse distribution issues with KDE 
issues... as I have stated in other emails though I feel that an LTS 
release should focus on stability and I am not getting that feeling from 
10.04. Whether that is Ubuntu or Kubuntu or the choice of KDE SC version 
I can not yet say.

as for the com+ dcom thing it was just an example of technology "under 
the hood" that can seriously mess up your system - as it seems so far 
that Akonadi et al can.

And as for Nepomuk - I have tried looking around (and I am no newbie) 
for documentation on how it works, how I can try and find errors, logs 
etc. I have found nothing.

As it is now, no I can not rate, tag or comment though the panels are 
there in Dolphin. Neither is there any Nepomuk-info in Krunner

When I first disable Strigi, then Nepomuk and then enable them again I 
get the following message on Strigi before it seemingly starts:
"The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by 
any .service files"

this seems to be related to the backend that should be virtuoso. But 
what it means, what Nepomuk or Strigi needs etc - I am in the dark.

Any pointers welcome

Sinclair